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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Apr 15, 2020 19:37:07 GMT
A big part of telling who is town vs mafia is willingness to die. Town should be more willing to be executed as a general posture. Mafia should almost never be willing to die. Mafia are trying to survive. Town is trying to find the mafia. Deciphering the posts/actions of the players in that context is how you read games. What I think you aren't taking into account is how saving yourself can easily get you killed the next day: 1. On Day 2, Delap saves himself in a tie or near-tie situation. He does this because he KNOWS he's town. The person he votes up instead is executed and turns out to be town (this will happen a majority of the time). 2. On Day 3, Delap is voted out due to his previous actions of self-preservation that killed a Townie. That is a very possible order of events. Also, I would argue that there is almost a 0% chance that a vote change to kill from someone not involved in the tie would generate much useful info. There is only 2 mafia. Odds are low they'd so plainly reveal their connection. All this coming from the guy who at the buzzer inferred he was the cop and that timpig was mafia (later confirmed civ).
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Apr 15, 2020 19:40:43 GMT
A big part of telling who is town vs mafia is willingness to die. Town should be more willing to be executed as a general posture. Mafia should almost never be willing to die. Mafia are trying to survive. Town is trying to find the mafia. Deciphering the posts/actions of the players in that context is how you read games. What I think you aren't taking into account is how saving yourself can easily get you killed the next day: 1. On Day 2, Delap saves himself in a tie or near-tie situation. He does this because he KNOWS he's town. The person he votes up instead is executed and turns out to be town (this will happen a majority of the time). 2. On Day 3, Delap is voted out due to his previous actions of self-preservation that killed a Townie. That is a very possible order of events. Also, I would argue that there is almost a 0% chance that a vote change to kill from someone not involved in the tie would generate much useful info. There is only 2 mafia. Odds are low they'd so plainly reveal their connection. All this coming from the guy who at the buzzer inferred he was the cop and that timpig was mafia (later confirmed civ). I didn't infer I was cop. |
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Apr 15, 2020 19:44:32 GMT
you intimated you were. others inferred.
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Apr 15, 2020 19:45:27 GMT
I didn't do that either.
I explicitly stated I was cop. No inference was required.
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Apr 15, 2020 19:46:37 GMT
Interesting that Delap/Soup have decided to distract from the logical take-down of Delap's ill thought out position though.
Argumentum ad hominem.
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Apr 15, 2020 19:47:39 GMT
But the bottom line is that while ties/close votes may occur naturally in the course of the game, I don't think there's any reason for the town to seek out ties for the sake of ties.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 19:51:22 GMT
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Apr 15, 2020 19:56:30 GMT
But the bottom line is that while ties/close votes may occur naturally in the course of the game, I don't think there's any reason for the town to seek out ties for the sake of ties. Nor do I... I never said we should. |
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Post by eric on Apr 15, 2020 20:00:49 GMT
day 1 ends
3 bill - tim canes odin
2 ank - skrouse delap
2 odin - jhb bill
1 skrouse - soup
1 delap - druce
1 jhb - ank
bill is executed
he was TOWN
night one ends 1 hour
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Post by eric on Apr 15, 2020 21:02:23 GMT
the sun rises on the corpse of timpig
he was TOWN
day two ends 10 pm, night two will end 10 am tomorrow
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Post by soup on Apr 15, 2020 21:06:46 GMT
We literally have nothing to go off of.
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Post by soup on Apr 15, 2020 21:08:37 GMT
Well I’m verified town.
You know I’d never willingly vote off one of the most active users in this game first night. Get ready for another snooze fest.
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Post by jhb on Apr 15, 2020 21:10:45 GMT
Reeeeeeeeeeach
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Apr 15, 2020 21:11:16 GMT
Well I’m verified town. You know I’d never willingly vote off one of the most active users in this game first night. Get ready for another snooze fest.
Not sure how that verifies you as town, but OK.
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Post by soup on Apr 15, 2020 21:15:51 GMT
Well I’m verified town. You know I’d never willingly vote off one of the most active users in this game first night. Get ready for another snooze fest.
Not sure how that verifies you as town, but OK.
We’re also selling our cases as town. It’s all we have. I literally didn’t sign up to play because of activity levels in the game. I wouldn’t come out right away and take out arguably the most active user in these games. |
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Apr 15, 2020 21:17:11 GMT
I agree that we shouldn't let inactives slide as a town. Which is why I'll vote odin for now. He contributed 2 posts and fewer than 10 words total.
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Apr 15, 2020 21:18:34 GMT
Not sure how that verifies you as town, but OK.
We’re also selling our cases as town. It’s all we have. I literally didn’t sign up to play because of activity levels in the game. I wouldn’t come out right away and take out arguably the most active user in these games. I understand your logic as a townie... but I am failing to grasp why the mafia would shy away from killing active players... doesn't killing active players help them? Are you saying there is a mafia code that would compel you to make a sub-optimal play simply out of honor? |
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Post by soup on Apr 15, 2020 21:19:17 GMT
We’re also selling our cases as town. It’s all we have. I literally didn’t sign up to play because of activity levels in the game. I wouldn’t come out right away and take out arguably the most active user in these games. I understand your logic as a townie... but I am failing to grasp why the mafia would shy away from killing active players... doesn't killing active players help them? Are you saying there is a mafia code that would compel you to make a sub-optimal play simply out of honor? I’m not saying mafia. I’m saying me as a mafia member wouldn’t. |
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Post by jhb on Apr 15, 2020 21:52:05 GMT
I agree with delap putting a vote on someone inactive but I don’t want to focus too much in on one person just yet.
Aside from Odin who else qualifies there? Druce was the last to make a vote iirc. Other than that everyone was fairly active.
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Post by cf3234 on Apr 15, 2020 21:56:38 GMT
Tim is a logical early kill.
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Post by Druce on Apr 15, 2020 22:03:01 GMT
Yeah I haven’t really said shit of value lol. Been just observing. Delap is still my hunch at this point
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Apr 15, 2020 22:18:58 GMT
Skrouse for now
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Post by jhb on Apr 15, 2020 22:51:33 GMT
I’ll say odin as well
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Post by eric on Apr 15, 2020 22:54:08 GMT
2 odin - jhb delap
1 skrouse - ank
not voted - skrouse canes soup odin druce
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Post by jhb on Apr 15, 2020 23:30:58 GMT
No one else gonna participate before the end of day 2?
Cool cool cool cool
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 23:35:01 GMT
I agree that we shouldn't let inactives slide as a town. Which is why I'll vote odin for now. He contributed 2 posts and fewer than 10 words total. this is fair but if you'll notice i'm only ever inactive when i have a boring role. so vote how you will, but i'm not mafia |
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Post by skrouse on Apr 15, 2020 23:49:47 GMT
Sorry guys, 5-8 EST is family time every night. Will try to catch up and add some value asap
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Post by jhb on Apr 15, 2020 23:58:38 GMT
Odin may be acting childish in doing what he’s doing but I honestly believe him
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Post by eric on Apr 16, 2020 0:00:23 GMT
1 canes - jhb
1 skrouse - ank
1 odin - delap
not voted - skrouse canes soup odin druce
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Apr 16, 2020 0:01:25 GMT
Canes for me as well until he chimes in.
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