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Post by Druce on Jun 14, 2018 13:50:42 GMT
I'm just going to toss this out there to gauge league opinion and see if it jives with what I've been feeling lately re: the league. Note that none of this is meant to be taken personally, just getting my thoughts out.
A couple things: I feel like the league has become stagnant. There isn't a lot of player movement outside of FA, trying to get a trade done is like pulling teeth. The mini games that added another layer to the league have stopped, and overall everything just feels a bit boring.
I really enjoy the changes that have been implemented re: player build/development and having a few new and active GMs has been great, however I feel like the inconsistency of a number of different things makes it hard for the league to build momentum. If this is just a "me" thing then so be it, thats my problem obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 13:57:36 GMT
what would you change
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:07:33 GMT
druce going for the commish kill streak
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Post by jhb on Jun 14, 2018 14:17:50 GMT
Bring back dirt and get Heel to be active again.
Problem solved.
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Post by Druce on Jun 14, 2018 14:19:46 GMT
Well, a few things. Please don't take any of this the wrong way, just my opinion here. 1. A little more consistency with the sims. I love a double sim as much as anyone, but I feel like StinkyPinky would enjoying our current pacing. For example, it's been like 2 weeks since the draft ended and we've yet to see like half the picks play a game or have TC. G league is a great resource to have, but more consistency between regular sims and g league would making our pace better. 2. The trade market is suffering as a result of what I believe to be the unweighted lotto. Tanking if nothing else promoted player movement. We have a bunch of stagnant teams that have been sitting for the first 3 years of the league at about the same place, both good and bad. 3. More draft info. I think the new profile format is good, but I think the combine thing could be expanded. We could even have someone do a combine "scout" write up comparing individual players/attributes/5 on 5 analysis based off of info you send them. (ex: Vince Carter and Antawn Jamison were going head to head all day. Jamison seemed to get the better of Carter in the post while Carter used his quickness to blow by Jamison at times etc. etc.) We could give the bottom 5-10 teams (record wise not draft order) scouting tips that they could use to their advantage when drafting/trading that is generally accurate, but not always (like say 75% accuracy) (ex: Scouts are questioning xxxx players desire to get better, or xxxx seems to have a flaw that went over looked/hidden in college) |
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Post by wee2dee on Jun 14, 2018 14:26:11 GMT
bring back early resignings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:28:14 GMT
1. sure. i went on vacation and have had some intense shit to deal with. i would like to see more consistency with draft profiles being posted. and if any of the players who had been sent down had the ability to have an impact at the tmbsl level i would have made their tc a priority.
2. i disagree with this on a fundamental level so there's no point in arguing it further than we already have
3. i'm totally on board with expanding the combine as that was always my intent. i've asked what people wanted to see and there have been no suggestions until this one and frankly it sounds exhausting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:28:30 GMT
bring back early resignings. there is literally no point |
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Post by Druce on Jun 14, 2018 14:32:43 GMT
1. sure. i went on vacation and have had some intense shit to deal with. i would like to see more consistency with draft profiles being posted. and if any of the players who had been sent down had the ability to have an impact at the tmbsl level i would have made their tc a priority. 2. i disagree with this on a fundamental level so there's no point in arguing it further than we already have 3. i'm totally on board with expanding the combine as that was always my intent. i've asked what people wanted to see and there have been no suggestions until this one and frankly it sounds exhausting.  Says the guy who's said plenty of times before he doesn't read the profiles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:35:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:35:36 GMT
1. sure. i went on vacation and have had some intense shit to deal with. i would like to see more consistency with draft profiles being posted. and if any of the players who had been sent down had the ability to have an impact at the tmbsl level i would have made their tc a priority. 2. i disagree with this on a fundamental level so there's no point in arguing it further than we already have 3. i'm totally on board with expanding the combine as that was always my intent. i've asked what people wanted to see and there have been no suggestions until this one and frankly it sounds exhausting. Says the guy who's said plenty of times before he doesn't read the profiles. jfc that has not been true for any part of 5.0 except creation |
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Post by Majic on Jun 14, 2018 14:35:46 GMT
2. i disagree with this on a fundamental level so there's no point in arguing it further than we already have 3. i'm totally on board with expanding the combine as that was always my intent. i've asked what people wanted to see and there have been no suggestions until this one and frankly it sounds exhausting. first i will say that i agree with all things that Druce has mentioned, and think this could be a very constructive conversation with that said I wanted to focus on your 2nd and 3rd comment if its not the unweighted lotto, then what do you see as being the major reason for a lack of player movement? Additionally, with player movement being so hard to get done the draft has taken on more importance yet the draft classes, yet the classes haven't really had any stars to help out. Even of your own admission, the second best prospect you created in 3 classes has been a 2nd round flier guy. I think it would be a great thing to provide more information on prospects along with more certainty on players/top prospects. |
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Post by Druce on Jun 14, 2018 14:37:27 GMT
Says the guy who's said plenty of times before he doesn't read the profiles. jfc that has not been true for any part of 5.0 except creation You said it literally like a week ago, I'm not making this stuff up. I send you a spreadsheet with the strengths and weaknesses particularly so you don't have to actually read the profiles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:38:11 GMT
jfc that has not been true for any part of 5.0 except creation You said it literally like a week ago, I'm not making this stuff up. I send you a spreadsheet with the strengths and weaknesses particularly so you don't have to actually read the profiles. does it not have the same info? |
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Post by Druce on Jun 14, 2018 14:40:35 GMT
You said it literally like a week ago, I'm not making this stuff up. I send you a spreadsheet with the strengths and weaknesses particularly so you don't have to actually read the profiles. does it not have the same info? Yes, it does. Im not insinuating that you don't make players based off of this info, I'm questioning why you in particular would care when the actual profiles are posted since you already have the info before they are. |
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Post by eric on Jun 14, 2018 14:43:22 GMT
trades ebb and flow based on the GMs who have players. we had long fallow periods in 4.0 weighted lotto, we'll have long fallow periods in 5.0 unweighted lotto, we'd have long fallow periods in 6.0 wheel or 7.0 29 team lotto or any other iteration.
when a GM who has a player you want wildly overvalues them, you're not going to get a deal done because you're not going to wildly overpay. whether that means they want four weighted lottos instead of two or six unweighted lottos instead of four is immaterial, the problem is agreeing on value.
when a GM who has a player you want is only 10% in the league, you're not going to get a deal done because they're only 10% in the league. again, the only way for you to break through that is to wildly overpay, and you're not going to do that because it's not worth it.
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Post by TimPig on Jun 14, 2018 14:48:02 GMT
I'm always on board with more stuff happening - more combine-related things, draft-related things, free agency stuff, etc. - but honestly it just doesn't seem like people are really willing to step up and do much.
I look at the draft as a place where more can always be added, but we can't put much more on Odin's plate, which I think draft-related stuff would require.
I personally am not bothered by the lotto situation, but I haven't been too heavily affected by it yet. Odin has maintained his willingness to change this after time if things do get really ugly. As far as trades, I also don't think it's a lackluster market. We've seen a couple of big ones go down in just the last couple days.
No one really writes articles anymore, which really bothers me. It's a tough situation because I think people who write them should be rewarded more as incentive -- for example, I wrote four articles in four days which was a lot of work but only gave me enough for 2/3 of my upgrades for one season -- but that's going to widen the gap between active/inactive even more. We have relatively inconsistent podcasts (I think you would agree with me on this), and like four or five GMs it seems who care to actually write articles and offer opinions. I've seen multiple people say they won't write them because they haven't "needed" to, but it's not like me or eric write articles because we're desperate for bucks. It's for the health of the league.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:49:07 GMT
does it not have the same info? Yes, it does. Im not insinuating that you don't make players based off of this info, I'm questioning why you in particular would care when the actual profiles are posted since you already have the info before they are. i prefer to use the actual profiles because they're more descriptive than what you send in the spreadsheet. i only did it for the last class because i was pressed for time bc if you remember we went from sim 13 through draft creation in about 24 hours so the league wouldn't be on hold while i was gone. |
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Post by dump on Jun 14, 2018 15:09:46 GMT
I know I’m just coasting by in this league
I just don’t feel like doing more then what is absolutely needed from me and trading is a unnecessary hassle
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Post by fason on Jun 14, 2018 15:21:59 GMT
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Post by skrouse on Jun 14, 2018 15:22:48 GMT
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Post by Majic on Jun 14, 2018 15:25:35 GMT
I am team wheel over unweighted |
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Post by Majic on Jun 14, 2018 15:27:12 GMT
at the end of the day
this thread was not meant to be a "I am right, you are wrong"
but rather it was meant to be a "hey I am not sure this is working, can we make this better"
I dont think anyone wants to league to stop, or have big fights that turn into pissing contests
we all just want to make the best possible league so its enjoyable and challenging.
constructive conversations are good every now and then to make slight improvements
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Post by Druce on Jun 14, 2018 15:28:13 GMT
I don't like this...I love it. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Jun 14, 2018 15:29:09 GMT
this thread was not meant to be a "I am right, you are wrong" So once and for all, Is it true if you don't use it, you lose it? |
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Jun 14, 2018 15:48:33 GMT
I will never understand the hate for unweighted. Wheel will be so much worse for the mediocre GMs.
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Post by eric on Jun 14, 2018 16:04:26 GMT
at the end of the day this thread was not meant to be a "I am right, you are wrong" but rather it was meant to be a "hey I am not sure this is working, can we make this better" I dont think anyone wants to league to stop, or have big fights that turn into pissing contests we all just want to make the best possible league so its enjoyable and challenging. constructive conversations are good every now and then to make slight improvements i think if you want to change peoples' minds on the unweighted lotto, just saying 'there's a lack of player movement' isn't going to get the job done. there's been a lack of player movement at times under all versions of the lotto. showing a trade offer that didn't go through that would have gone through in another lotto system is the way to go. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Jun 14, 2018 16:41:02 GMT
Skrouse fucked up with trading Gragg and 1sts for GMJ.
In 4.0 system he'd rebuilt and bk would have been able to offer him those 1sts back along with 3 other Kings firsts for Griner.
Bk would have been maybe on par with the Rockets/Clippers.
Instead that trade doesn't happen in 5.0 and BK is stuck playing .333 ball (for some reason)
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Post by IanBoyd on Jun 14, 2018 16:43:44 GMT
I gambled on Chalky being able to get me over the hump, that didn't work out. H/T could have offered me my firsts back along with a lucractive enough package to maybe get Sexton and I would have traded Mountain Dew and Leslie etc for pieces to rebuild. Those pieces could have created another 1 or 2 contenders in the league.
Instead I'm fine with playing .500-.600 ball and coast until I have my 1sts back then tank for 8th/9th seeds.
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Post by IanBoyd on Jun 14, 2018 16:45:36 GMT
You can argue if you think those sort of trades are better for the league or not but those are the trades that doesn't happen in unweighted that would/could have happened in regular lotto.
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