So I hear you hate the lotto.... (342 views)

[Deleted]

I have heard that some people might not love the way we do the lotto here, so now is your chance to kill it and bring in what we've all been waiting for, ROOKIE FREE AGENCY.

Yes, in this proposed system all rookies would just be added to the FA pool.

Here's some things that would come along with this:

1. The caps might need to be changed
2. Rookie contracts offers would be capped at 4 years, 7m, 10%
3. Dump Buck (not pig penny) rewards for things such as POTW, MVP, etc would be doubled.
4. All currently owned draft picks would be converted to Bucks in the following manner: 1sts from teams that have been under .500 throughout 5.0 are worth 12,500. 1sts from other teams are worth 7,500. All 2nds are worth 1,500.
5. There will be no limit on trading Dump Bucks


Obviously there are probably other things to be ironed out but yeah here's your chance

[IanBoyd]

options seem limited

[Deleted]

Aug 28, 2018 15:47:33 GMT IanBoyd said:

options seem limited

by design

[Mike]

I don't hate the lotto, I hate the unweighted lotto.

[eric]

rw just saw a cool 400% ROI

[eric]

i strongly prefer unweighted lotto to any other option, including rookie FA

[jhb]

Voted yes. #EmbraceDebate

[skrouse]

Nay - This will fundamentally change the league

[👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼]

WHEEL

[TimPig]

Standard lotto over unweighted lotto over other kinds of drafts over rookie free agency IMO

[IanBoyd]

1. standard lotto
2. wheel
3. unweighted lotto
4. rookie FA

is my ranking of draft system.

[skrouse]

The more I think about this the more I may actually like it but I think it'd be better if we did a few things differently to simulate real life leagues that do not have a draft.

1. No Max Contracts - Period - for all players including rookies
- this will reduce the randomness of FA and make teams truly budget to build a great team. If someone wants to pay a guy 40 mil a year, let them, but the rest of their team will need to be signed under the cap.

2. Hard Cap only, no soft cap
- This removes salary restrictions on trades and put the max amount of GMs in the FA bidding pool

3. Implemented in 2012
- This gives teams time to reasonably prepare to the fundamental shift in the system

[IanBoyd]

Aug 28, 2018 16:29:05 GMT skrouse said:

1. No Max Contracts - Period - for all players including rookies

This is dumb.

If there isn't a max contract, then an amount lower than the current max will be the defacto "max contract amount", which limits nothing as far as RNG but just makes the commish job harder entering bids.

[Deleted]

Aug 28, 2018 16:29:05 GMT skrouse said:

The more I think about this the more I may actually like it but I think it'd be better if we did a few things differently to simulate real life leagues that do not have a draft.

1. No Max Contracts - Period - for all players including rookies
- this will reduce the randomness of FA and make teams truly budget to build a great team. If someone wants to pay a guy 40 mil a year, let them, but the rest of their team will need to be signed under the cap.

2. Hard Cap only, no soft cap
- This removes salary restrictions on trades and put the max amount of GMs in the FA bidding pool

3. Implemented in 2012
- This gives teams time to reasonably prepare to the fundamental shift in the system

the problem with 1 and 2 is the software has built in maxes that we can't change, and those are based on what the soft cap is

[jhb]

I don't think the software allows for uncapped contracts.

I would support limiting the unweighted lotto to only determining the first 8 draft slots and then slot the remaining non-lotto winning teams by previous year record.

[TimPig]

Aug 28, 2018 16:30:50 GMT IanBoyd said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:29:05 GMT skrouse said:

1. No Max Contracts - Period - for all players including rookies

This is dumb.

If there isn't a max contract, then an amount lower than the current max will be the defacto "max contract amount", which limits nothing as far as RNG but just makes the commish job harder entering bids.

This portion of your response was unnecessary.

[jhb]

Can you change the soft and hard cap amounts in the software?

[skrouse]

Aug 28, 2018 16:30:50 GMT IanBoyd said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:29:05 GMT skrouse said:

1. No Max Contracts - Period - for all players including rookies

This is dumb.

If there isn't a max contract, then an amount lower than the current max will be the defacto "max contract amount", which limits nothing as far as RNG but just makes the commish job harder entering bids.

I don't understand you logic here.  Please elaborate. 

If a team has 70 mil in cap and wants to offer an incoming rookie they think would be irl LBJ or MJ 25 Mil as the starting salary, how is that a lower amount?

[IanBoyd]

Aug 28, 2018 16:32:26 GMT jhb said:

Can you change the soft and hard cap amounts in the software?

You can change the soft cap, there is no "hard cap" as far as the software is concerned, its just something we arbitrarily made up.

Raising the cap too much makes the MLE/LLE/mins and rookie contracts (which are set) way too valuable/cheap, and decreasing the soft cap by too much makes them not worth using as much.

[skrouse]

Aug 28, 2018 16:30:52 GMT @odin said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:29:05 GMT skrouse said:

The more I think about this the more I may actually like it but I think it'd be better if we did a few things differently to simulate real life leagues that do not have a draft.

1. No Max Contracts - Period - for all players including rookies
- this will reduce the randomness of FA and make teams truly budget to build a great team. If someone wants to pay a guy 40 mil a year, let them, but the rest of their team will need to be signed under the cap.

2. Hard Cap only, no soft cap
- This removes salary restrictions on trades and put the max amount of GMs in the FA bidding pool

3. Implemented in 2012
- This gives teams time to reasonably prepare to the fundamental shift in the system

the problem with 1 and 2 is the software has built in maxes that we can't change, and those are based on what the soft cap is

Is it possible to set the caps really high so that it make the system calculation irrelevant?  Like set the soft cap to like 1 billion and then we self police the cap?

[skrouse]

Aug 28, 2018 16:35:33 GMT IanBoyd said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:32:26 GMT jhb said:

Can you change the soft and hard cap amounts in the software?

You can change the soft cap, there is no "hard cap" as far as the software is concerned, its just something we arbitrarily made up.

Raising the cap too much makes the MLE/LLE/mins and rookie contracts (which are set) way too valuable/cheap, and decreasing the soft cap by too much makes them not worth using as much.

MLE/LLE/Mins wouldn't exist in a No Max system

[jhb]

Aug 28, 2018 16:36:20 GMT skrouse said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:30:52 GMT @odin said:

the problem with 1 and 2 is the software has built in maxes that we can't change, and those are based on what the soft cap is

Is it possible to set the caps really high so that it make the system calculation irrelevant?  Like set the soft cap to like 1 billion and then we self police the cap?

[IanBoyd]

Aug 28, 2018 16:35:07 GMT skrouse said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:30:50 GMT IanBoyd said:

This is dumb.

If there isn't a max contract, then an amount lower than the current max will be the defacto "max contract amount", which limits nothing as far as RNG but just makes the commish job harder entering bids.

I don't understand you logic here.  Please elaborate. 

If a team has 70 mil in cap and wants to offer an incoming rookie they think would be irl LBJ or MJ 25 Mil as the starting salary, how is that a lower amount?

There are limits to how much you can offer in the software.

Max contract is a single button in the software during the FA process where the commish can click it and it generates a 6 year max contract.

Trying to change those things aren't viable or even possible.

Also I'm not understanding what you're confused by, if there is no max contract (the 6 year 93.75 mil contract), there will still be a "highest amount you can offer" contract, which is the new max, only difference is the commish can't click a button and have the software auto generate the offer, he'll have to manually enter it.

[IanBoyd]

This is again a software understanding issue, you're trying to implement things that either aren't possible in the software or takes a simple to use software thing (the max contract button, the MLE/LLE/min button) and removing it out of the equation.

[skrouse]

Aug 28, 2018 16:38:30 GMT IanBoyd said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:35:07 GMT skrouse said:

I don't understand you logic here.  Please elaborate. 

If a team has 70 mil in cap and wants to offer an incoming rookie they think would be irl LBJ or MJ 25 Mil as the starting salary, how is that a lower amount?

There are limits to how much you can offer in the software.

Max contract is a single button in the software during the FA process where the commish can click it and it generates a 6 year max contract.

Trying to change those things aren't viable or even possible.

Also I'm not understanding what you're confused by, if there is no max contract (the 6 year 93.75 mil contract), there will still be a "highest amount you can offer" contract, which is the new max, only difference is the commish can't click a button and have the software auto generate the offer, he'll have to manually enter it.

The highest amount you can offer would vary by team based on their cap situation, I guess there is a theoretical max offer based on the hard cap but if anyone did that they literally would be team of 1

[Deleted]

Aug 28, 2018 16:36:20 GMT skrouse said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:30:52 GMT @odin said:

the problem with 1 and 2 is the software has built in maxes that we can't change, and those are based on what the soft cap is

Is it possible to set the caps really high so that it make the system calculation irrelevant?  Like set the soft cap to like 1 billion and then we self police the cap?

sure

downside being either 1. the cap is set very high and people complain because the cap listed on the html isnt accurate, 2. the cap is set reasonably high and there's still more or less a max contract even if its like 60m

[skrouse]

Aug 28, 2018 16:40:51 GMT @odin said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:36:20 GMT skrouse said:

Is it possible to set the caps really high so that it make the system calculation irrelevant?  Like set the soft cap to like 1 billion and then we self police the cap?

sure

downside being either 1. the cap is set very high and people complain because the cap listed on the html isnt accurate, 2. the cap is set reasonably high and there's still more or less a max contract even if its like 60m

Eric has a future cap macro, he could just add the current year and link it. 

As to the latter, correct, there would be a current market value / availability max

[TimPig]

Aug 28, 2018 16:42:29 GMT skrouse said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:40:51 GMT @odin said:

sure

downside being either 1. the cap is set very high and people complain because the cap listed on the html isnt accurate, 2. the cap is set reasonably high and there's still more or less a max contract even if its like 60m

Eric has a future cap macro, he could just add the current year and link it. 

As to the latter, correct, there would be a current market value / availability max

How much is Nick King leaving playing into your desire to blow up the entire system?

Be honest.

[fason]

Let's shorten the max length of contracts to 4-5 years instead 6-7. I feel that would make things more exciting.

[skrouse]

Aug 28, 2018 16:50:01 GMT TimPig said:

Aug 28, 2018 16:42:29 GMT skrouse said:

Eric has a future cap macro, he could just add the current year and link it. 

As to the latter, correct, there would be a current market value / availability max

How much is Nick King leaving playing into your desire to blow up the entire system?

Be honest.

None haha