2003 Rookie Ladder (285 views)

[eric]

preseason

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1. Antawn Jamison* PF



This class is booooooooooooty. But A-Jam is legit good. Plus efficiency, micro turnovers, isn't a complete catastrophe on d/r. Don't get used to it, we're going downhill fast.

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2. Dirk Nowitzki PF



Is fair to middling at everything, doesn't stand out anywhere. #2 on the ladder. Yikes.

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3. Al Harrington* PF



The worst d/r of the bunch, and none of them are what you'd call catfishers. Harrington should at least be a 20-10 guy with solid efficiency for a good many years.

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4. Jason Williams PG



White Chocolate makes it thanks to some truly sublime handles. The d/r is decent for a point guard too. Reminds me of a young Quincy McCall, right down to the iffy scoring and abjuration of the three point line.

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5. Cuttino Mobley SG



Mobil will fill it up, but needs a little help to do so efficiently. The good news is aside from a small turnover problem he's solid everywhee else, so he's a high ceiling low floor type. Whoever the Raptors GM is now must be thrilled.

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6. Milt Wagner SG



Li'l Honus has a lot to do to become a first five member of the Hall of Fame like his daddy, probably too much. But his d/r is pretty well set, so he just needs to shore up the scoring. Moving out of the deflated ball era should help there.

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7. Ricky Davis SG



Love the efficiency and the blocks, but the turnovers are way too high. Needs to improve on scoring volume; not shooting on the wrong basket could as much as double it.

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8. De'Anthony Melton PG



His handles make Ricky Davis look like Jason Williams. Yikes. Another guy who loves to score and should probably learn to love practice a little more. Good shooting form. Shooting with the correct hand. Have a Coke. Do some darn thing.

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9. Michael Olowokandi C



Love the d/r from Kandi man. Way better than his 4.0 bleaoards. Unfortunately they're still not great and d/r bigs aren't relevant in 5.0. And he turns it over too much. This class is BOOTY. Who would have thought the worst #1 pick of all time would be so bad huh.

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10. Rashard Lewis* SF



I pretty much picked someone at random for #10.

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stats

pts/tsa blk/36 stl/36 tov/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 JSH 3SH xp/t mp Player
1.101 0.12 1.27 0.81 1.57 9.26 21.65 74.26 38.74 1.106 1306 Antawn Jamison* PF
1.047 0.13 1.07 1.73 1.23 9.60 19.07 87.12 73.88 1.045 945 Dirk Nowitzki PF
1.039 0.28 0.55 1.52 1.18 9.55 22.85 74.98 16.02 1.061 702 Al Harrington* PF
1.064 0.17 1.38 1.73 4.20 5.54 11.77 97.94 28.06 1.032 790 Jason Williams PG
1.047 0.12 1.99 2.10 1.67 6.90 27.23 80.83 32.17 1.047 1355 Cuttino Mobley SG
1.038 0.16 1.78 1.78 1.82 5.51 17.03 43.92 92.08 1.048 977 Milt Wagner SG
1.148 0.84 1.05 2.95 1.00 5.05 15.79 85.38 5.62 1.162 496 Ricky Davis SG
1.076 0.10 2.58 4.02 2.33 6.40 24.86 88.27 47.73 1.041 1431 De'Anthony Melton PG
0.964 1.94 1.11 1.94 0.79 11.08 6.78 34.82 21.18 0.964 1014 Michael Olowokandi C
1.012 0.13 0.66 1.85 1.36 7.91 12.79 89.27 23.73 1.009 1147 Rashard Lewis* SF
0.962 2.09 0.56 1.26 0.89 12.28 4.19 61.19 -5.19 0.962 1058 Aiden Williamson C
0.939 0.15 1.02 1.17 0.88 11.51 11.22 52.56 3.44 0.939 1136 Andrew Betts C
1.025 0.28 1.25 1.39 0.80 9.03 7.78 71.76 19.24 1.012 958 Bonzi Wells SF
0.628 0.00 0.00 2.31 0.00 4.62 13.85 110.63 -19.63 0.628 31 Brian Skinner C
0.915 0.25 1.26 2.77 2.73 4.03 12.08 72.54 18.46 0.950 458 Bryce Drew PG
0.995 0.46 1.49 2.52 3.23 2.64 15.94 75.84 50.16 0.986 1350 Earl Boykins PG
0.934 0.30 0.89 0.74 1.40 5.36 6.40 79.77 11.23 0.930 920 Greg Buckner SG
0.990 0.88 0.63 2.25 0.94 11.38 14.00 49.14 41.86 0.994 1210 Gregor Clegane C
1.023 0.40 1.07 0.81 2.50 9.67 4.43 56.43 -0.43 1.023 1152 Jahidi White C
0.993 0.39 1.04 1.04 2.75 4.57 11.74 93.54 67.46 1.011 966 Jordan Howard SG
0.715 0.63 0.79 2.20 1.00 11.63 4.56 31.27 14.73 0.715 985 Keon Clark C
0.540 0.00 0.00 1.26 1.50 6.32 3.16 110.63 -19.63 0.540 34 Korleone Young SF
0.966 0.00 2.14 2.14 4.17 3.56 17.47 93.00 53.00 1.007 424 Landyn Freshwater PG
0.994 0.61 1.02 2.44 3.42 5.69 20.24 65.43 25.57 0.988 1487 Larry Hughes SG
1.084 1.69 0.42 1.27 0.67 12.71 16.94 104.41 8.59 1.083 349 Leonard Leslie C
0.867 0.21 0.85 1.92 1.00 4.69 7.24 65.28 47.72 0.881 727 Michael Dickerson SG
0.972 0.53 1.06 3.18 1.83 4.76 15.88 54.61 58.39 0.874 272 Mike Bibby PG
0.786 0.00 1.44 1.44 0.50 10.08 12.24 67.34 1.66 0.786 65 Pat Garrity PF
1.007 0.35 1.28 1.86 0.69 7.11 10.37 72.26 18.74 1.013 1267 Paul Pierce SF
0.820 0.21 0.62 1.24 1.00 10.97 4.34 45.28 10.72 0.820 783 Radoslav Nesterovic C
0.960 0.24 0.24 1.91 0.88 11.00 15.31 84.74 6.26 0.958 1355 Raef LaFrentz PF
0.964 0.21 2.40 1.98 3.53 3.55 12.31 65.78 47.22 0.975 1587 Rafer Alston PG
0.701 0.00 0.49 2.96 1.33 5.42 7.40 -2.74 93.74 0.728 256 Ryan Bowen SF
1.021 0.12 2.36 2.12 3.78 3.30 18.77 67.90 58.10 1.001 1281 Sarunas Jasikevicius PG
0.925 0.20 0.49 0.79 1.38 8.28 7.10 57.72 -1.72 0.927 1643 Sean Marks PF
0.942 0.11 1.40 2.04 1.05 5.91 20.63 60.55 52.45 0.962 1240 Vince Carter SG
0.970 0.27 0.54 2.28 1.00 12.09 10.07 65.28 3.72 0.970 1126 Vladimir Stepania C

[TimPig]

They obviously focus on different things, but do you have any sort of comparison between the Rookie Ladder and who wins ROTY?

I'd be curious to see how often the two actually agree.

Thanks for the Jamison love <3

[👨🏼‍⚕️delapandemic🚑]

Excited for what I believe is my debut on the ladder... 25 seasons in.

[TimPig]

Jun 9, 2018 20:03:32 GMT 👨🏼‍⚕️delapandemic🚑 said:

Excited for what I believe is my debut on the ladder... 25 seasons in.

Never forget the Top 10 under 25.

[eric]

Jun 9, 2018 20:01:38 GMT TimPig said:

They obviously focus on different things, but do you have any sort of comparison between the Rookie Ladder and who wins ROTY?

I'd be curious to see how often the two actually agree.

Thanks for the Jamison love <3

i don't, software awards are shaky at the best of times

sounds like a good article idea to me

[h7t]

Nesterovic over LaFrentz 😮

[TimPig]

Jun 10, 2018 3:26:33 GMT h7t said:

Nesterovic over LaFrentz 😮

I think after the top 10 it's ordered alphabetically by first name.

[skrouse]

Nice work as always eric

[kn88]

Larry Hughes looking solid.

[kn88]

The Silky Johnson in me is glad everyone else sucks too

[Taco: Better than a Nacho]

Bonzi Wells is poop and Eric is very smart for keeping him off this list.

[eric]

day 40 update

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1. Antawn Jamison* PF - LR #1



The Big Strength closed the gap quite a bit on SPL's favorite whiskey but I'm even if it was just regular season I'd still lead with Jamison, and given the preseason superiority it's really no contest for now.

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2. Dirk Nowitzki PF - LR #2



Good news and bad news. Good news, his efficiency skyrocketed, although it'll probably regress given his Outside grade, and he cut turnovers dramatically too. Bad news, his already iffy d/r numbers dipped even further. Overall you expect his d/r to grow in TC so he's better off than where he was before.

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3. Al Harrington* PF - LR #3



Al stayed a solid scorer but saw a big jump in d/r numbers and even cut his turnovers a little. Has the earmarks of a future justified max player.

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4. Cuttino Mobley SG - LR #5



Yet another guy who really sewed up his handling, Mobley would make a real interesting SG to PG candidate if that was still a rule. It isn't, so Brovacaine will have to settle for a plus scorer with decent d/r numbers. Not bad.

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5. Paul Pierce SF - LR unranked



The Captain was more of a Petty Officer Second Class in preseason.

Stopped throwing the ball around, started throwing the ball in the general direction of the net, kept up the solid d/r numbers. Top two is probably out of the question, but the #3 spot isn't inconceivable. That's a lesson to you kids out there: no matter how bad you start, keep chasing that farewell tour.

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6. Jason Williams PG - LR #4



Handling and rebounding dipped a little but scoring efficiency came up a little. Overall he's the same, just got passed because other guys in the class really improved dramatically. Maybe this class isn't booty after all.

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7. Landyn Freshwater PG - LR unranked



Never mind. River Donovan can't score a lick and the d/r is nothing special, even his truly sublime handles wouldn't get him a sniff of the ladder in a decent class.

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8. Vince Carter SG - LR unranked



He's WAY ahead of preseason. If he can keep the turnovers down he'll probably stay on the ladder even with his mediocre scoring.

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9. Michael Olowokandi C - LR #9



Here's a d/r scrub big.

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10. Cory Carr SG - LR unranked



Here's a d/r scrub wing.

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stats

pts/tsa blk/36 stl/36 tov/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 JSH 3SH xp/t mp Player
1.136 0.11 1.13 1.13 1.10 9.03 26.18 89.53 23.47 1.135 925 Antawn Jamison* PF
1.220 0.29 0.86 1.00 1.86 8.32 15.35 91.80 69.20 1.145 577 Dirk Nowitzki PF
1.056 0.14 1.30 1.15 1.13 10.94 20.59 74.84 16.16 1.056 625 Al Harrington* PF
1.075 0.24 1.68 1.56 2.62 6.00 22.20 87.59 25.41 1.084 840 Cuttino Mobley SG
1.083 0.49 1.10 1.47 1.25 7.59 13.84 89.93 1.07 1.088 882 Paul Pierce SF
1.065 0.00 1.70 2.32 3.27 4.33 15.30 93.93 32.07 1.064 559 Jason Williams PG
1.002 0.26 1.28 1.79 5.57 4.34 16.60 89.47 56.53 1.011 338 Landyn Freshwater PG
1.043 0.00 1.46 1.46 1.31 6.62 22.21 66.98 46.02 1.034 738 Vince Carter SG
0.919 1.81 0.84 1.26 1.22 10.74 7.95 53.81 2.19 0.919 877 Michael Olowokandi C
0.946 0.26 1.19 1.58 1.17 6.20 8.18 54.61 81.39 0.928 683 Cory Carr SG
0.999 2.15 1.00 1.00 1.00 10.76 4.30 66.85 -10.85 0.999 778 Aiden Williamson C
0.890 0.00 0.66 1.66 0.50 10.29 6.80 50.17 5.83 0.890 239 Andrew Betts C
0.925 0.27 1.09 1.77 0.77 8.05 7.09 54.86 36.14 0.948 660 Bonzi Wells SF
0.987 0.00 0.73 1.75 0.75 9.91 13.99 71.47 41.53 0.979 568 Bruno Sundov C
1.046 0.10 1.76 3.61 2.92 6.34 22.24 89.93 46.07 1.038 1144 De'Anthony Melton PG
1.017 0.23 1.27 3.00 2.85 3.12 15.58 65.78 60.22 1.007 1061 Earl Boykins PG
1.030 0.31 1.24 2.48 1.25 10.86 18.93 45.44 45.56 1.053 278 Gregor Clegane C
1.187 1.59 0.53 1.59 2.33 8.47 6.35 31.27 81.73 1.089 68 Harrison McKie SF
0.951 0.52 0.87 1.39 2.00 11.65 6.09 56.21 -10.21 0.951 683 Keon Clark C
0.975 0.62 0.62 1.45 0.57 6.21 9.93 79.77 11.23 0.975 470 Korleone Young SF
1.015 0.61 1.61 1.11 2.55 6.25 14.42 78.89 12.11 1.021 964 Larry Hughes SG
1.090 1.56 1.56 1.30 0.90 11.70 20.79 82.45 30.55 1.098 665 Leonard Leslie C
1.054 0.21 1.05 2.11 0.90 5.68 9.05 65.28 47.72 1.015 581 Michael Dickerson SG
0.667 0.00 0.00 3.60 0.00 0.00 7.20 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 10 Mike Bibby PG
0.900 0.18 0.91 1.45 1.00 11.09 4.00 60.13 -4.13 0.900 634 Radoslav Nesterovic C
1.039 0.14 0.58 2.02 0.79 9.11 15.33 86.34 4.66 1.037 797 Raef LaFrentz PF
0.916 0.00 1.55 1.55 4.25 2.71 13.16 53.49 59.51 0.952 260 Rafer Alston PG
0.957 0.26 0.77 1.15 1.78 8.07 12.94 90.79 22.21 0.928 759 Rashard Lewis* SF
1.011 0.11 1.93 2.50 4.14 3.52 14.20 67.73 58.27 0.970 919 Sarunas Jasikevicius PG
0.873 0.00 0.50 2.00 1.00 9.00 10.50 87.96 -18.96 0.873 122 Vladimir Stepania C

[TimPig]

Stop sucking up to me, eric. It's not going to work.

Too much damage has already been done.

[eric]

day 60

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1. Antawn Jamison* PF - LR #1



It got close for a minute there, but Antawn extends his lead again. Just a sublime scorer.

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2. Dirk Nowitzki PF - LR #2



Dirk should be a real good player too though. The volume after +20 to volume attributes is a little concerning but that's what DCs are for.

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3. Al Harrington* PF - LR #3



Al's bleals dropped kind of a lot, but that was never really his game. 20/10 on decent efficiency will take him a long way.

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4. Paul Pierce SF - LR #5



Guess it IS easy being green. Pierce continues to increase his scoring efficiency, and that's the truth.

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5. Jason Williams PG - LR #6



Another guy stretching that efficiency up a bit, solid across the board. At least there are five good players in this class.

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6. Cuttino Mobley SG - LR #4



Mobley could go either way. If he sticks where he is now he's a player trap, gets buckets but not well enough to help the team, doesn't add anything else at a high level... but he's also not outright bad at anything. Right now he's about a nine of all trades, get that up to jack and you've got a guy.

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7. Landyn Freshwater PG - LR #7



We have a bunch of players with 4ish ast:tov, I'm sticking with Landyn "Vamos Mexyco" Freshwater because while his scoring is bad it's not putrescent and he's got pretty solid d/r numbers. He'll never get a Knicks min but with some good TCs he could bounce around the league for awhile.

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8. Larry Hughes SG - LR unranked



Decided to switch it up for these last three, because everyone is terrible. He defends, he rebounds, he throws up bricks. His numbers were dramatically worse in preseason so I wouldn't be on him keeping up even this mediocre level of production.

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9. Harrison McKie SF - LR unranked



The Big Amnesty almost certainly isn't a 50 3P% shooter, his true efficiency is probably low, but so is his volume, and he's putting up real nice d/r and tov numbers. The d/r wing hasn't caught on to the extent the d/r big did in 4.0, and at 6'9" McKie isn't SG eligible which is a real killer, but I gotta put somebody, what do you want from me.

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10. Aiden Williamson C - LR unranked



Great 4.0 d/r big numbers. I could have sworn I wrote this blurb already

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stats

pts/tsa blk/36 stl/36 tov/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 JSH 3SH xp/t mp Player
1.147 0.23 1.02 1.25 0.91 8.86 25.78 89.36 23.64 1.148 1331 Antawn Jamison* PF
1.145 0.28 0.83 0.97 1.86 8.69 15.59 86.21 74.79 1.101 914 Dirk Nowitzki PF
1.059 0.26 1.02 1.15 1.00 10.63 20.37 72.21 18.79 1.058 1040 Al Harrington* PF
1.099 0.36 1.20 1.55 1.15 7.65 14.71 88.62 2.38 1.105 1234 Paul Pierce SF
1.076 0.00 1.71 2.29 3.42 4.38 16.00 94.76 31.24 1.070 718 Jason Williams PG
1.031 0.24 1.44 1.67 2.00 6.22 20.69 87.22 25.78 1.041 1385 Cuttino Mobley SG
0.975 0.29 1.46 2.34 4.00 4.98 16.68 87.49 58.51 1.038 517 Landyn Freshwater PG
1.021 0.60 1.70 1.30 2.31 6.62 15.04 81.67 9.33 1.018 1508 Larry Hughes SG
1.119 0.65 1.62 0.97 2.00 6.81 7.14 51.11 61.89 1.006 555 Harrison McKie SF
0.976 2.28 1.00 1.00 0.86 11.38 4.70 61.79 -5.79 0.976 1037 Aiden Williamson C
1.066 0.00 0.57 1.33 0.86 9.90 8.76 59.98 -3.98 1.066 548 Andrew Betts C
1.276 0.00 2.21 1.55 1.00 13.25 9.50 31.27 #N/A 1.276 49 Angel Delgado C
0.329 0.00 0.85 1.98 0.43 5.67 2.83 31.27 #N/A #N/A 38 Beau Lacey SF
0.891 0.27 1.21 1.89 0.79 7.69 8.09 61.37 29.63 0.921 988 Bonzi Wells SF
0.663 0.00 1.20 2.23 0.23 6.34 4.63 31.27 #N/A 0.663 63 Brian Simpson SF
0.941 0.00 0.65 1.62 0.80 10.05 13.78 72.97 40.03 0.935 888 Bruno Sundov C
1.022 0.30 1.05 1.80 1.17 6.30 9.60 57.72 78.28 0.969 888 Cory Carr SG
1.002 0.10 1.84 3.78 2.72 6.21 21.64 90.09 45.91 1.014 1521 De'Anthony Melton PG
1.012 0.23 1.16 2.90 2.92 3.14 14.86 67.59 58.41 0.999 1333 Earl Boykins PG
1.154 0.00 2.10 0.90 1.00 3.00 14.10 70.95 #N/A #N/A 36 Erik Saperstein SG
1.028 0.34 1.02 2.38 1.43 10.87 17.32 48.60 42.40 1.040 445 Gregor Clegane C
0.951 0.52 0.87 1.39 2.00 11.65 6.09 56.21 -10.21 0.951 683 Keon Clark C
0.966 0.62 0.62 1.25 0.50 6.03 9.36 82.42 8.58 0.966 657 Korleone Young SF
0.700 0.00 0.00 1.80 1.00 6.00 4.20 #DIV/0! #N/A #DIV/0! 18 LaDon Conradt PG
1.275 0.00 0.68 0.68 1.00 7.47 22.42 65.28 #N/A 1.275 53 Landon Smith C
1.059 1.41 1.28 1.02 1.25 11.91 20.37 82.49 30.51 1.070 1180 Leonard Leslie C
1.054 0.21 1.05 2.11 0.90 5.68 9.05 65.28 47.72 1.015 581 Michael Dickerson SG
1.512 0.00 0.46 1.23 0.00 12.26 8.43 -48.10 117.10 1.512 94 Michael Doleac C
0.937 1.93 0.97 1.52 1.09 11.03 7.86 53.06 2.94 0.937 1122 Michael Olowokandi C
0.667 0.00 0.00 3.60 0.00 0.00 7.20 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 10 Mike Bibby PG
0.818 0.19 0.76 1.52 0.88 10.80 3.79 45.97 10.03 0.818 855 Radoslav Nesterovic C
1.002 0.00 0.58 1.74 0.92 9.44 14.81 87.44 3.56 1.011 1116 Raef LaFrentz PF
0.915 0.39 1.96 1.57 4.00 3.13 14.09 62.13 50.87 0.970 423 Rafer Alston PG
0.967 0.13 0.88 1.26 1.40 7.33 12.38 87.73 25.27 0.950 1197 Rashard Lewis* SF
1.009 0.00 1.70 2.48 4.05 3.39 14.48 65.28 60.72 0.970 1159 Sarunas Jasikevicius PG
1.027 0.11 1.31 1.52 1.36 6.09 24.15 70.14 42.86 1.015 1225 Vince Carter SG
0.924 0.00 0.55 1.11 2.00 9.97 11.63 91.96 -22.96 0.924 202 Vladimir Stepania C

[skrouse]

Hope this drops VC's value in the Trade Market

[Muzunga]

I hate you so much

[TimPig]

Jun 18, 2018 20:06:48 GMT skrouse said:

Hope this drops VC's value in the Trade Market

Fecta will never trade Vince for the same reasons he wouldn't trade/amnesty R.J.

[eric]

day 90


1. Antawn Jamison* PF - LR #1



2. Dirk Nowitzki PF - LR #2



3. Al Harrington* PF - LR #3



4. Paul Pierce SF - LR #4



5. Jason Williams PG - LR #5



Not a lot of change this update. I'll belabor it for day 120. Bottom line we've got five guys who are legit players, and the order is pretty clear. I could flip 4-5 but I'm trusting in Pierce's A shown Defense.

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6. Landon Smith C - LR unranked



A little new blood for the bottom half, it's a small sample sixthrung special. Landon's taking the pass, faking the pass, and scoring the bejesus out of the ball. They don't pay him to turn it over, rebound, or defend.

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8. Larry Hughes SG - LR #8



I'm keeping Larry slightly above Mobley just because his defensive numbers look nicer. They probably both wash out of the league.

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9. Cuttino Mobley SG - LR #6



The Butcher of Anderson Station flirted with top half but probably is what he is at this point. Subpar efficiency, subpar handles, subpar bleals, okay boards.

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10. Aiden Williamson C - LR #10



Speaking of washing out of the league, a d/r big!

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stats

pts/tsa blk/36 stl/36 tov/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 JSH 3SH xp/t mp Player
1.132 0.11 1.01 1.13 1.10 9.00 25.65 85.24 27.76 1.136 1952 Antawn Jamison* PF
1.160 0.14 0.84 0.98 1.57 8.72 14.48 90.15 70.85 1.121 1485 Dirk Nowitzki PF
1.080 0.23 0.92 1.26 0.91 10.43 20.75 69.31 21.69 1.073 1790 Al Harrington* PF
1.075 0.47 1.18 1.66 1.00 6.87 13.62 88.41 2.59 1.066 1915 Paul Pierce SF
1.070 0.00 1.89 2.11 4.00 4.63 17.05 97.86 28.14 1.076 1026 Jason Williams PG
1.156 0.00 0.90 0.45 2.00 7.65 23.40 57.72 11.28 1.156 80 Landon Smith C
1.028 0.61 1.72 1.21 2.50 6.57 15.88 78.73 34.27 1.028 2207 Larry Hughes SG
1.022 0.36 1.32 1.80 1.80 6.24 20.52 86.31 26.69 1.034 1920 Cuttino Mobley SG
0.971 2.45 1.01 1.01 1.00 11.38 4.90 58.88 -2.88 0.971 1375 Aiden Williamson C
1.055 0.00 0.77 1.34 1.00 10.53 9.00 49.13 6.87 1.068 884 Andrew Betts C
0.926 0.21 0.82 1.23 0.67 9.67 4.53 48.52 -2.52 0.926 455 Angel Delgado C
0.792 0.00 1.31 2.36 0.33 4.73 5.78 84.18 51.82 0.855 164 Beau Lacey SF
0.870 0.27 1.08 2.16 0.69 8.22 8.63 63.66 27.34 0.892 1682 Bonzi Wells SF
0.906 0.39 2.54 0.98 1.80 5.67 7.24 40.09 85.91 0.863 221 Brian Simpson SF
1.001 0.00 0.83 1.49 0.78 9.12 13.77 74.16 38.84 0.993 1280 Bruno Sundov C
0.979 0.34 1.19 2.21 0.92 6.11 10.53 59.93 76.07 0.956 1336 Cory Carr SG
1.011 0.10 1.92 3.65 2.82 6.24 22.08 90.40 45.60 1.022 2288 De'Anthony Melton PG
0.956 0.23 1.26 2.87 3.00 2.87 14.68 70.47 55.53 0.965 1884 Earl Boykins PG
1.035 0.65 0.86 1.29 0.83 3.88 12.07 75.36 85.64 1.004 367 Erik Saperstein SG
1.012 0.32 0.96 2.25 1.43 10.61 17.04 48.69 42.31 1.018 672 Gregor Clegane C
0.995 0.81 1.49 0.95 2.00 6.77 6.09 54.42 58.58 0.963 1250 Harrison McKie SF
0.951 0.52 0.87 1.39 2.00 11.65 6.09 56.21 -10.21 0.951 683 Keon Clark C
0.949 0.41 0.61 1.43 0.57 6.34 9.61 86.21 4.79 0.947 1091 Korleone Young SF
1.291 0.58 1.74 1.16 1.50 7.55 9.29 110.63 35.37 1.364 161 LaDon Conradt PG
0.938 0.31 1.54 2.46 3.63 4.62 16.62 92.12 53.88 0.992 761 Landyn Freshwater PG
1.103 1.38 1.38 1.01 1.50 11.33 21.40 82.18 30.82 1.102 1859 Leonard Leslie C
1.054 0.21 1.05 2.11 0.90 5.68 9.05 65.28 47.72 1.015 581 Michael Dickerson SG
1.163 0.14 1.01 1.01 0.71 10.12 6.22 89.47 -20.47 1.163 548 Michael Doleac C
0.943 1.63 0.95 1.49 1.00 10.73 7.74 57.72 -1.72 0.943 1590 Michael Olowokandi C
0.667 0.00 0.00 3.60 0.00 0.00 7.20 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 10 Mike Bibby PG
0.880 0.19 0.75 1.32 0.71 10.55 4.52 47.80 8.20 0.880 1222 Radoslav Nesterovic C
1.006 0.14 0.56 1.55 1.09 10.27 14.91 84.18 6.82 1.005 1638 Raef LaFrentz PF
1.018 0.43 1.94 1.94 3.22 3.02 12.07 63.25 49.75 1.015 1069 Rafer Alston PG
0.965 0.12 0.73 1.22 1.60 6.93 11.31 81.77 31.23 0.962 1924 Rashard Lewis* SF
1.031 0.44 2.40 0.87 1.38 9.71 10.80 80.11 45.89 1.046 462 Ron Kellogg SF
1.008 0.12 1.99 2.23 4.33 3.60 15.02 73.29 52.71 0.969 1769 Sarunas Jasikevicius PG
1.022 0.11 1.28 1.50 1.43 5.98 25.42 71.41 41.59 1.027 2022 Vince Carter SG
1.011 0.00 0.61 1.83 1.67 11.59 11.59 86.83 -17.83 1.011 289 Vladimir Stepania C

i'm aware there's no #7. if there is any attempt by any gm to bring this up, i am just gonna snap. do i make myself clear?

[TimPig]

You seem to have left out #7.

[TimPig]

Unless Jamison is #1 and #2.

[eric]

Jun 25, 2018 1:57:48 GMT TimPig said:

You seem to have left out #7.

Jun 25, 2018 1:40:35 GMT eric said:

i'm aware there's no #7. if there is any attempt by any gm to bring this up, i am just gonna snap. do i make myself clear?

[TimPig]

Jun 25, 2018 2:46:48 GMT eric said:

Jun 25, 2018 1:57:48 GMT TimPig said:

You seem to have left out #7.

Jun 25, 2018 1:40:35 GMT eric said:

i'm aware there's no #7. if there is any attempt by any gm to bring this up, i am just gonna snap. do i make myself clear?

Lmbo. I didn't even see that message hidden at the bottom which makes this even better.

[Muzunga]

My conspiracy theory, Vince is 7 but Eric refuses to include him.

[eric]

Jun 25, 2018 21:20:19 GMT Muzunga said:

My conspiracy theory, Vince is 7 but Eric refuses to include him.

quite frankly vince is NOT THAT FAR OFF FROM #7!!!

what does that TELL you about this CLASS, SKIP?
IT'S BOOTY!
don't TELL ME it's not booty!

vince emBARRASSED HIMSELF
raef emBARRASSED HIMSELF
bruno shunDOVay emBARRASSED HIMSELF

Fect A. Chase has a LOT OF NERVE and a LOT of GALL saying what he said

disgraceful

DISGRACEFUL

[eric]

day 120

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1. Antawn Jamison* PF - LR #1



Clearly the best scorer, rebounds are a big strength (played most of the year at SF), really solid handles. The only dilemma is what position to leave him at for TCs, he'll be a stud for a long time.

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2. Dirk Nowitzki PF - LR #2



At various points in the season Dirk threatened to make #1 a contest. This isn't one of those points. Has maybe the best handles in the whole class, which is nice, but his scoring efficiency dipped from superb to merely good, and his d/r numbers make Antawn look like Hakeem. He's also already had +20 so the ceiling is lower too.

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3. Al Harrington* PF - LR #3

Stop me if you've heard this one before - decent scorer/rebounder/handles, bleals leave a little to be desired. Like Jamison he's had +10, unlike Jamison he played all year at PF so he's probably got worse actual rebounding attributes. It was a real toss-up between Dirk and Al for 2-3, I'd be shocked if either catches Antawn but not if one clearly surpasses the other.

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4. Paul Pierce SF - LR #4



The Captain is just solid across the board - no huge strengths, no glaring weaknesses. Should probably play at SG where his rebounding would be more of a strength and his volume will get a little jump start, but serviceable as an SF too.

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5. Jason Williams PG - LR #5



A middling scorer and rebounder, but I love the defense and handles. Plus you gotta figure you can coach him up after you get him out of the San Antonio ghost town.

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6. Landon Smith C - LR #6



Look, I'm taking the player who was good in a tiny sample over the player who was mediocre in a big sample every time. In effectively five games Landon showed he could score, flip flop national team allegiances, and hold onto the ball. Good enough.

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7. LaDon Conradt PG - LR unranked



Half the volume but twice the minutes so I'm about as confident in his numbers (not very). Still, when you're starting at 1 to/36 and 7 reb/36 (listed as PG on the DC), there's a lot of wiggle room where they can still be strengths. Hope to see both these fellas get some preseason time next year.

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8. Cuttino Mobley SG - LR #9



As promised, the mediocrities. Mobley's regular season xpts/tsa of 1.046 matched his preseason value of 1.047 almost exactly, which is fun but also not a great sign for his longevity. Rebounds and defends a little, turns it over a little. He's not a bum or anything, he just needs work everywhere so it's hard to rate him too highly.

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9. Vince Carter SG - LR unranked



Slightly worse across the board compared to Cuttino, and had a horrible preseason to boot. When your principle competition for touches is RJ Barrett you're gonna tend to get a lot of shots up, for better or in this case for worse.

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10. Larry Hughes SG - LR #8



The scoring is gross. But the bleals and boards are real nice, and scoring tends to grow more than d/r numbers.

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rest of lotto:
Mike Bibby - was horrendous scoring in preseason, benched by a team that won 10 games. pray for cleveland
Rashard Lewis* - contender for biggest 4.0/5.0 discrepancy. Lewis is awful. distant third best Bullet rookie. not fit to carry Angel Delgado's gym bag
Michael Olowokandi - decent d/r big
Rafer Alston - pretty good passer and defender. horrible rebounder and scorer.
Ricky Davis - DNP (Jeezy)
Sarunas Jasikevicius - Rafer Alston's tovarish from another matushka
Bonzi Wells - was pretty bad in preseason and got much, much worse
Raef LaFrentz - a d/r big without the d and who shoots too much. other than that he's great

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stats

pts/tsa blk/36 stl/36 tov/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 JSH 3SH xp/t mp Player
1.138 0.23 0.91 1.25 1.00 9.09 25.89 84.37 28.63 1.139 2599 Antawn Jamison* PF
1.120 0.14 0.72 0.87 1.67 8.53 13.73 88.85 72.15 1.098 2017 Dirk Nowitzki PF
1.075 0.33 0.89 1.23 0.91 10.25 20.84 67.23 23.77 1.075 2649 Al Harrington* PF
1.070 0.58 1.17 1.64 1.00 6.90 13.32 86.55 4.45 1.064 2526 Paul Pierce SF
1.040 0.00 2.04 2.04 4.11 4.30 17.43 100.97 25.03 1.037 1304 Jason Williams PG
1.088 0.00 0.57 1.13 1.50 8.22 19.56 55.08 13.92 1.088 152 Landon Smith C
1.098 0.54 1.61 1.07 1.50 6.99 10.21 101.30 44.70 1.178 288 LaDon Conradt PG
1.033 0.36 1.45 1.70 1.86 6.18 20.73 85.18 27.82 1.046 2287 Cuttino Mobley SG
1.030 0.10 1.36 1.77 1.24 5.95 26.09 72.63 40.37 1.032 2829 Vince Carter SG
1.030 0.61 1.72 1.32 2.31 6.69 16.23 78.03 34.97 1.019 2911 Larry Hughes SG
0.973 2.44 1.00 0.86 1.33 11.19 5.02 46.76 9.24 0.973 1908 Aiden Williamson C
1.003 0.00 0.76 1.33 1.00 10.99 8.72 50.53 5.47 1.002 1235 Andrew Betts C
0.867 0.20 0.81 1.02 1.00 10.78 4.07 39.21 6.79 0.867 761 Angel Delgado C
0.792 0.00 1.31 2.36 0.33 4.73 5.78 84.18 51.82 0.855 164 Beau Lacey SF
0.894 0.27 1.08 2.16 0.75 8.09 8.63 65.86 25.14 0.905 2029 Bonzi Wells SF
0.906 0.39 2.54 0.98 1.80 5.67 7.24 40.09 85.91 0.863 221 Brian Simpson SF
1.001 0.00 0.84 1.34 0.88 9.21 13.73 73.50 39.50 0.994 1763 Bruno Sundov C
0.805 0.00 0.67 2.24 3.60 4.02 9.61 53.95 37.05 0.821 225 Bryce Drew PG
0.985 0.35 1.05 2.11 1.08 6.15 11.06 55.90 80.10 0.957 1681 Cory Carr SG
1.019 0.10 1.83 3.66 2.76 6.26 22.72 91.35 44.65 1.017 3067 De'Anthony Melton PG
0.939 0.33 1.30 3.04 2.86 2.93 14.53 65.47 60.53 0.956 2722 Earl Boykins PG
1.057 0.47 0.94 1.18 1.00 3.76 12.47 86.42 74.58 1.079 689 Erik Saperstein SG
1.053 0.61 0.91 2.42 1.25 10.89 17.55 55.03 35.97 1.045 916 Gregor Clegane C
0.979 0.77 1.29 1.16 1.67 6.94 5.91 56.95 56.05 0.946 1792 Harrison McKie SF
0.951 0.52 0.87 1.39 2.00 11.65 6.09 56.21 -10.21 0.951 683 Keon Clark C
0.930 0.41 0.62 1.45 0.57 6.21 9.10 81.60 9.40 0.921 1392 Korleone Young SF
0.956 0.32 1.30 2.92 3.11 4.22 17.19 93.80 52.20 0.986 910 Landyn Freshwater PG
1.092 1.38 1.38 1.00 1.38 11.29 21.20 83.53 29.47 1.092 2353 Leonard Leslie C
1.054 0.21 1.05 2.11 0.90 5.68 9.05 65.28 47.72 1.015 581 Michael Dickerson SG
1.050 0.29 0.86 1.14 0.75 9.14 5.29 63.95 5.05 1.050 958 Michael Doleac C
0.930 1.64 0.96 1.51 1.00 10.95 7.25 52.16 3.84 0.930 2157 Michael Olowokandi C
0.667 0.00 0.00 3.60 0.00 0.00 7.20 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 10 Mike Bibby PG
0.894 0.19 0.77 1.35 0.86 10.40 4.43 47.65 8.35 0.894 1533 Radoslav Nesterovic C
0.976 0.14 0.56 1.41 1.20 10.45 14.26 84.18 6.82 0.985 2091 Raef LaFrentz PF
0.953 0.35 1.75 2.10 3.17 3.32 10.83 66.13 46.87 0.978 1689 Rafer Alston PG
1.008 0.12 0.60 1.20 1.60 6.98 11.92 83.15 29.85 0.987 2452 Rashard Lewis* SF
1.022 0.34 2.13 0.90 1.38 9.64 11.89 96.20 29.80 1.005 995 Ron Kellogg SF
1.016 0.12 2.07 2.44 3.90 3.54 15.38 77.39 48.61 0.982 2419 Sarunas Jasikevicius PG
1.014 0.00 0.60 1.80 1.67 11.40 11.40 90.79 -21.79 1.014 318 Vladimir Stepania C

[TimPig]

Jul 2, 2018 20:27:18 GMT eric said:

day 120

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1. Antawn Jamison* PF - LR #1



Clearly the best scorer, rebounds are a big strength (played most of the year at SF), really solid handles. The only dilemma is what position to leave him at for TCs, he'll be a stud for a long time.

Part of my incentive in trading Perkins for Halpert is that if I play Jamison at PF, I can use the double 3-point growth in The Lab on him. Hopefully his rebounding and defense grow naturally and the presumed +30 I can still put into 3-point will add some extra scoring punch.

[TimPig]

Also, when is the last time we had a wire-to-wire #1 in the Rookie Ladder?

[eric]

Jul 2, 2018 20:34:06 GMT TimPig said:

Also, when is the last time we had a wire-to-wire #1 in the Rookie Ladder?

Damien Mama 3054, beating out the likes of Leonard Fournette and Budda Baker.

[ahebrewtoo]

Can't wait till MJ signs software rookie of the year to a big money deal before reading this thread.