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Post by skrouse on May 18, 2018 14:35:28 GMT
With the complete randomness of the lottery, Lotto Protections seems like a really good thing to have on 1sts that are traded.
Should be easy enough to trade in the Draft Picks Owed thread.
@odin let me know.
Everyone feel free to discuss
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 14:40:33 GMT
only downside i see is it could create "tanking" by teams to end up in the lotto the year of their traded prot pick
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Post by Majic on May 18, 2018 14:45:43 GMT
only downside i see is it could create "tanking" by teams to end up in the lotto the year of their traded prot pick ahh yes. the pesky "tanking" problem we have in this league |
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Post by skrouse on May 18, 2018 14:46:30 GMT
only downside i see is it could create "tanking" by teams to end up in the lotto the year of their traded prot pick Eh, I don't see how that happens. You can be the worst team and get the 15th pick, look at how far Fecta fell back this past lotto. There would be no more incentive to tank than there is now IMO |
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Post by Majic on May 18, 2018 14:46:37 GMT
I love this idea personally
as Skrouse mentioned, simple protections: Top 3, Top 5, Lottery etc.
if the pick doesnt convey on the traded year then the team automatically gets the next years pick, no matter what.
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Post by ahebrewtoo on May 18, 2018 14:59:15 GMT
I love this idea personally as Skrouse mentioned, simple protections: Top 3, Top 5, Lottery etc. if the pick doesnt convey on the traded year then the team automatically gets the next years pick, no matter what.I like it with the bolded part from Majic. |
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Post by skrouse on May 18, 2018 15:02:20 GMT
Agree with Majic / Heebs
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Post by Majic on May 18, 2018 15:10:16 GMT
I love this idea personally as Skrouse mentioned, simple protections: Top 3, Top 5, Lottery etc. if the pick doesnt convey on the traded year then the team automatically gets the next years pick, no matter what.I like it with the bolded part from Majic. this way it ensures its easy to track. its 1 year or the other and only has to be updated in the owed picks thread 1 time. both teams can plan for it and know ahead of time. |
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on May 18, 2018 15:47:38 GMT
i'm down to clown
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Post by eric on May 18, 2018 15:56:40 GMT
I love this idea personally as Skrouse mentioned, simple protections: Top 3, Top 5, Lottery etc. if the pick doesnt convey on the traded year then the team automatically gets the next years pick, no matter what. would you therefore not be able to trade a first the year after a pick you already traded and protected? |
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Post by Majic on May 18, 2018 16:34:59 GMT
I love this idea personally as Skrouse mentioned, simple protections: Top 3, Top 5, Lottery etc. if the pick doesnt convey on the traded year then the team automatically gets the next years pick, no matter what. would you therefore not be able to trade a first the year after a pick you already traded and protected? good point. I guess the NBA doesnt allow for back-to-back years to be traded any ideas on how to stop this? |
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Post by eric on May 18, 2018 16:46:22 GMT
would you therefore not be able to trade a first the year after a pick you already traded and protected? good point. I guess the NBA doesnt allow for back-to-back years to be traded any ideas on how to stop this? if we don't like the idea of just banning it, we could kick the can Bulls trade a protected 2010 first to the Clippers, and then firsts (protected or otherwise) in 2011 to the Suns, 2012 to the Jazz, 2013 to the Timberwolves, 2014 to the Warriors 2010 draft comes around the the pick falls in the protection, so the Clippers don't get it they get 2011 unprotected Suns bumped to 2012 with the same protections (if any) they traded for Jazz to 2013 same Wolves to 2014 same Warriors to 2015 same, which can't have been traded because we can only trade 5 into the future . or we could say that if any protection kicks in, all future protections are erased and the picks are unprotected or we could have teams inherit the protections of their new year's pick instead of the ones they traded for or we could have other compensation, such as rolling over into two seconds, some kind of expansion draft thing where the team that traded the pick could only protect X players on their roster from the team that didn't get the pick, a compensatory draft pick(s) somewhere in the first round (middle? end?) we've got options. personally i favor no protections, obviously because i prefer trading picks over making them, but we've got options |
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Post by Majic on May 18, 2018 17:12:06 GMT
good point. I guess the NBA doesnt allow for back-to-back years to be traded any ideas on how to stop this? if we don't like the idea of just banning it, we could kick the can Bulls trade a protected 2010 first to the Clippers, and then firsts (protected or otherwise) in 2011 to the Suns, 2012 to the Jazz, 2013 to the Timberwolves, 2014 to the Warriors 2010 draft comes around the the pick falls in the protection, so the Clippers don't get it they get 2011 unprotected Suns bumped to 2012 with the same protections (if any) they traded for Jazz to 2013 same Wolves to 2014 same Warriors to 2015 same, which can't have been traded because we can only trade 5 into the future . or we could say that if any protection kicks in, all future protections are erased and the picks are unprotected or we could have teams inherit the protections of their new year's pick instead of the ones they traded for or we could have other compensation, such as rolling over into two seconds, some kind of expansion draft thing where the team that traded the pick could only protect X players on their roster from the team that didn't get the pick, a compensatory draft pick(s) somewhere in the first round (middle? end?) we've got options. personally i favor no protections, obviously because i prefer trading picks over making them, but we've got options kicking the can is probably the easiest and simplest solution. however the expansion draft idea is something i really like. You can protect up to 8/9 guys on your roster. the person with the pick can either take a later uears pick or take an existing guy from your roster thats not protected. this at least gives the option and possibly some real value in the event that team is losing a pick the traded for most late round picks are probably equivalent to a depth/bench player |
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Post by skrouse on May 18, 2018 19:11:42 GMT
Good ideas, but IMO we need to make it simpler and not allow stacking of protections (I.e. top 3 for 2011, then becomes top 10 2012, etc) or anything else that makes this process convoluted.
My proposal is that any pick protection should tie up the replacement pick in the even the protection kicks in. Once said pick is assigned, via seasons end or lottery, then the locked up pick becomes free to trade again.
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Orl 10 1st traded to Har (Top 3 protected - 2011)
Orlando can then not trade the replacement pick (2011 1st) until the 2010 pick is assigned to either Orlando or Harlem.
I also think the replacement pick should be up to the discretion of the trading GM and part of the trade negotiations. In the example above, the replacement pick could have been 2012, 2013 or 2014 if that is what the 2 GMs agreed to.
I think this keeps things very simple and easy to track.
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Post by eric on May 18, 2018 19:38:31 GMT
Good ideas, but IMO we need to make it simpler and not allow stacking of protections (I.e. top 3 for 2011, then becomes top 10 2012, etc) or anything else that makes this process convoluted. My proposal is that any pick protection should tie up the replacement pick in the even the protection kicks in. Once said pick is assigned, via seasons end or lottery, then the locked up pick becomes free to trade again. Example: Orl 10 1st traded to Har (Top 3 protected - 2011) Orlando can then not trade the replacement pick (2011 1st) until the 2010 pick is assigned to either Orlando or Harlem. I also think the replacement pick should be up to the discretion of the trading GM and part of the trade negotiations. In the example above, the replacement pick could have been 2012, 2013 or 2014 if that is what the 2 GMs agreed to. I think this keeps things very simple and easy to track. to be clear, the protections weren't stacking, they were just sliding down a year. so: Bulls trade 2010 to Wizards (top 3 protected) Bulls trade 2011 to Cavaliers (top 5 protected) they get 1.1 in 2010. now: Bulls trade 2011 to Wizards (now unprotected) Bulls trade 2012 to Cavaliers (still top 5 protected) i like the wrinkle of getting to decide the replacement pick though |
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Post by Majic on May 18, 2018 19:56:25 GMT
I think we could work something out that was easy to track and made sense.
but before going further we should let Odin weigh in on whether this is something he would OK
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 20:09:19 GMT
1st Round Draft Picks are able to be "protected" during trading like in the real NBA, but simpler for logistical reasons. A draft pick during a trade can be:Regulations:
Examples: |
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Post by skrouse on May 18, 2018 20:28:25 GMT
Good ideas, but IMO we need to make it simpler and not allow stacking of protections (I.e. top 3 for 2011, then becomes top 10 2012, etc) or anything else that makes this process convoluted. My proposal is that any pick protection should tie up the replacement pick in the even the protection kicks in. Once said pick is assigned, via seasons end or lottery, then the locked up pick becomes free to trade again. Example: Orl 10 1st traded to Har (Top 3 protected - 2011) Orlando can then not trade the replacement pick (2011 1st) until the 2010 pick is assigned to either Orlando or Harlem. I also think the replacement pick should be up to the discretion of the trading GM and part of the trade negotiations. In the example above, the replacement pick could have been 2012, 2013 or 2014 if that is what the 2 GMs agreed to. I think this keeps things very simple and easy to track. to be clear, the protections weren't stacking, they were just sliding down a year. so: Bulls trade 2010 to Wizards (top 3 protected) Bulls trade 2011 to Cavaliers (top 5 protected) they get 1.1 in 2010. now: Bulls trade 2011 to Wizards (now unprotected) Bulls trade 2012 to Cavaliers (still top 5 protected) i like the wrinkle of getting to decide the replacement pick though Oh I know your examples weren't stacking, they actually didn't include stacking so I pointed it out!! haha |
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Post by Majic on May 18, 2018 20:42:52 GMT
1st Round Draft Picks are able to be "protected" during trading like in the real NBA, but simpler for logistical reasons. A draft pick during a trade can be:Regulations:
Examples:This is very helpful although I would be against the decreasing/increasing of conveyance. Just have the pick be completely un-protected for the next year |
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