2001 Draft Timeliness Rewards by Team (255 views)

[eric]

per TimPig's request, here are the teams that got buck rewards:

500 ATL
1000 BOS
1000 CHA
3000 CHI
2000 CLE
500 DAL
0 DEN
500 DET
1000 GSW
500 HAR
1500 HOU
1000 IND
1000 LAC
4000 LAL
500 MIA
1500 MIL
2000 MIN
1000 NYK
1000 ORL
500 PHO
500 POR
1000 SAC
2000 SAS
1000 SEA
0 TOR
1000 UTA
1500 VAN
1500 WSB
1500 WSW
the way i did it was that if you picked within x time of the last pick, you got the reward

if you didn't pick within x time of the last pick, but you did within x time of the 10am-10pm central timer starting, and that time hadn't already elapsed in the previous timer, you also got the reward

for example
1.16 IND picks at 7:27, that's within 30 minutes of 7:20 => 1000 BUCKS
1.7 GSW picks at 11:17, that's more than two hours from the previous pick at 8:39, but within two hours of 10:00 => 500 BUCKS
1.2 CLE picks at 10:53, that's within two hours of 10:00, but the last pick the previous day was 17:27 => NO BUCKS

let me know if there's any confusion

this isn't an accept/decline situation either

[TimPig]

Thank you.

[Deleted]

lol this is broken af, time to trade for all of those "forfeit" 2nds

[TimPig]

Heads up:

You do not need to post these in your bank thread. I've added them for everyone already.

[Taco: Better than a Nacho]

Beautiful. I knew I was great this draft.

[mj]

Denver and Toronto just high as hell

[skrouse]

I'm a fan of this

[Buster]

Champions!

[ahebrewtoo]

+1k TimPig for my second round pick, which was made at 5:55am central when the prior pick was made at 10:20pm central. So the timer was paused and I picked before 10:30am central.

eric

[eric]

Apr 13, 2018 14:13:54 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

+1k TimPig for my second round pick, which was made at 5:55am central when the prior pick was made at 10:20pm central. So the timer was paused and I picked before 10:30am central.

eric

this does not fall under either criteria i used

you are free to argue that it should, but you should tag odin for that

[ahebrewtoo]

Apr 13, 2018 14:36:55 GMT eric said:

Apr 13, 2018 14:13:54 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

+1k TimPig for my second round pick, which was made at 5:55am central when the prior pick was made at 10:20pm central. So the timer was paused and I picked before 10:30am central.

eric

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this does not fall under either criteria i used

you are free to argue that it should, but you should tag odin for that

"if you didn't pick within x time of the last pick, but you did within x time of the 10am-10pm central timer starting, and that time hadn't already elapsed in the previous timer, you also got the reward"

I literally picked during the period in which the timer was off.  So you're telling me if Ankly had picked at 9:59pm, and I picked at 10:01am, I'd have received the reward?  But because Ankly picked AFTER 10pm, and I picked BEFORE 10am, I don't?  

That is some mickey mouse bullsquash if I've ever heard it.

I am not going to bother Odin by tagging him for that.  TimPig please add the 1k to my bank.  

[eric]

Apr 13, 2018 14:43:03 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

Apr 13, 2018 14:36:55 GMT eric said:

this does not fall under either criteria i used

you are free to argue that it should, but you should tag odin for that

"if you didn't pick within x time of the last pick, but you did within x time of the 10am-10pm central timer starting, and that time hadn't already elapsed in the previous timer, you also got the reward"

I literally picked during the period in which the timer was off.  So you're telling me if Ankly had picked at 9:59pm, and I picked at 10:01am, I'd have received the reward?  But because Ankly picked AFTER 10pm, and I picked BEFORE 10am, I don't?  

That is some mickey mouse bullsquash if I've ever heard it.

I am not going to bother Odin by tagging him for that.  TimPig please add the 1k to my bank.  

what can i tell you, the rules are clearly stated as "within [time] of being on the clock", my hands are tied.

the smart play for you is to lobby odin to add a reward for picking while outside the timer rather than making a stink about this

[ahebrewtoo]

Don't be unreasonable. There is absolutely no reason to involve Odin in this. Had I waited an extra 4 hours and 6 minutes, you're saying I'd be "on the clock" and therefore get the bonus. Because I picked before "the clock" began, I'm penalized. That's a completely unreasonable application of the rules that you should be embarrassed to be advocating for, let alone trying to waste Odin's time adjudicating. Just stop.

[eric]

Apr 13, 2018 15:04:35 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

Don't be unreasonable. There is absolutely no reason to involve Odin in this. Had I waited an extra 4 hours and 6 minutes, you're saying I'd be "on the clock" and therefore get the bonus. Because I picked before "the clock" began, I'm penalized. That's a completely unreasonable application of the rules that you should be embarrassed to be advocating for, let alone trying to waste Odin's time adjudicating. Just stop.

You're not penalized. You don't get the bonus for picking within X time on the clock because you were neither picking within X time nor on the clock. It's black letter law, and I clearly explained how I was interpreting it in the first post.

If you hadn't felt the need to erroneously call me out and just posted this in your bank thread, none of this would have happened. You called down the knicks thunder, well now you've got it.

Again, the smart play for you is to let this go and suggest a change in the rules rather than insisting you're right with no scriptural backing. 1000 dump bucks isn't worth risking the whole system for you. I barely ever make draft picks, I've got nothing to lose.

[ahebrewtoo]

Apr 13, 2018 15:47:08 GMT eric said:

Apr 13, 2018 15:04:35 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

Don't be unreasonable. There is absolutely no reason to involve Odin in this. Had I waited an extra 4 hours and 6 minutes, you're saying I'd be "on the clock" and therefore get the bonus. Because I picked before "the clock" began, I'm penalized. That's a completely unreasonable application of the rules that you should be embarrassed to be advocating for, let alone trying to waste Odin's time adjudicating. Just stop.

You're not penalized. You don't get the bonus for picking within X time on the clock because you were neither picking within X time nor on the clock. It's black letter law, and I clearly explained how I was interpreting it in the first post.

If you hadn't felt the need to erroneously call me out and just posted this in your bank thread, none of this would have happened. You called down the knicks thunder, well now you've got it.

Again, the smart play for you is to let this go and suggest a change in the rules rather than insisting you're right with no scriptural backing. 1000 dump bucks isn't worth risking the whole system for you. I barely ever make draft picks, I've got nothing to lose.

It is times like this that make me believe you actually are ClydeR. 

Here is where we stand.

I will not bother Odin with this.  It is an absurd interpretation of the rule and he has much better things to do with his time.  Also, having to adjudicate stupid shit like this is incredibly annoying as a commissioner.  

The purpose of the clock stopping is to prevent people from being forced to make a pick during the nighttime to have been considered to make a "timely" pick, it is not to discourage people from making picks during the nighttime.


So here are your options, Eric.  You can either continue to interpret the rule unreasonably.  I, and others, will stop making picks after 10pm central or before 10am central.  That will halve the time in which GMs are picking and substantially slow down the draft for the sake of your stubbornness.  Or you can admit your interpretation of the rule is unreasonable and credit the bonus for timely making picks to GMs that make picks after 10pm and before 10am central.

[eric]

plenty of people got rewarded for picking after 10pm central or before 10am central, including you. nobody was discouraged from doing so, they were rewarded when those picks were timely and not eight hours after the last pick. nobody cared about this specific scenario but you, nobody's going to follow your lead if you do start trying to slow down the draft out of spite.

i keep telling you to involve odin because threatening me is pointless, i have no authority over who does and doesn't get bucks, and i'm going to keep doing it how i read the rules until instructed otherwise. tim asked me to tally the bucks, i tallied them, everyone else is happy, you're flipping your stuff.

i can live with that

[ahebrewtoo]

If you're going to stubbornly insist on your unreasonable interpretation of this rule, I will be forced to pick after 10am central from now on if I am ever in that situation again.

Spite has nothing to do with it, Eric. If it costs me a timely pick bonus to pick early, I will pick late and get the bonus. It's purely to get the 1k bonus, not to spite you.

Now, if I start posting in shout that the draft clock has paused and picks made while the clock is paused may not qualify for the bonus and people should wait until 10am central to pick - that would be spite. I won't be doing that. Spite would be me tagging Ward, who also did not get his bonus despite picking at 7:36am.

I appreciate what you do for the league and will never act out of spite against you. I will, however, clearly explain the consequences of you stubbornly insisting on your unreasonable interpretation of this rule.

I have no problem not rushing my pick from the Grand Rapids airport before boarding a 6am central flight so that I don't delay the draft. My conscience is clear knowing it is your stubborn insistence on an unreasonable interpretation of this rule that forces me to delay the draft.

[IanBoyd]

this is why we can't have nice things

[TimPig]

Apr 13, 2018 17:48:34 GMT IanBoyd said:

this is why we can't have nice things

Love when you quote Taylor Swift to me.

[ahebrewtoo]

Apr 13, 2018 17:48:34 GMT IanBoyd said:

this is why we can't have nice things

I honestly thought Eric made an honest mistake.

I didn't realize he intentionally interpreted the rule so unreasonably.  

[eric]

Apr 13, 2018 17:34:29 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

If you're going to stubbornly insist on your unreasonable interpretation of this rule, I will be forced to pick after 10am central from now on if I am ever in that situation again.

i keep telling you "i have no authority over who does and doesn't get bucks"

whether you convince me has absolutely no impact on the bucks you get

and you know you won't convince me anyway, i'm baffled why you're taking this tack

[ahebrewtoo]

Apr 13, 2018 18:23:23 GMT eric said:

Apr 13, 2018 17:34:29 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

If you're going to stubbornly insist on your unreasonable interpretation of this rule, I will be forced to pick after 10am central from now on if I am ever in that situation again.

i keep telling you "i have no authority over who does and doesn't get bucks"

whether you convince me has absolutely no impact on the bucks you get

and you know you won't convince me anyway, i'm baffled why you're taking this tack

You are tasked with interpreting the rule to list the people qualifying for the reward.  Therefore, you have authority over who does and doesn't get bucks. 

If I convince you, I (and others) will receive the reward for having timely made picks.  Therefore, it has an impact on the bucks I (and others) get.

I want to convince you because you're actively undermining this incentive out of willful stubbornness.  Your interpretation of this rule is in direct conflict with the purpose of the rule and therefore it is unreasonable.

[ahebrewtoo]

eric where is the rule for the 10pm-10am "off the clock" rule. Since I can't convince you using reason, I'm going to try syntax - which apparently is the only language you understand.

[eric]

just go in your bank thread and claim it, like any other dump buck reward

that's really all that needs to be said here

[IanBoyd]

loud noises

[TimPig]

Is this where I tag Ward?