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Post by Druce on May 19, 2020 17:13:14 GMT
Tossed out this idea in shout, and it's a very rough idea as idk what it would entail. But having a coaching option for teams not necessarily in the hunt makes sense to me. Discuss.
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Post by killybing on May 19, 2020 17:30:20 GMT
Scouting coach could give a free stats scout (of a remaining player) at the beginning of the 2nd round?
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Post by TimPig on May 19, 2020 17:56:46 GMT
I think the previous option was that the coach would give +10 potential to any player drafted, but there was lots of confusion over the timing. I think guys would purchase the coach hoping it applied to guys they had just drafted, but it was meant to apply to players drafted the following offseason.
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Post by skrouse on May 19, 2020 18:17:51 GMT
I think this could be fun, need to build on the idea more. Maybe offer a type of scouting that is only available to a coach, not draft scouts. idk what exactly, but just to get the ball rolling
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Post by TimPig on May 19, 2020 18:20:50 GMT
Free player workout for up to 4 non-profile players? Is that too much?
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Post by Druce on May 19, 2020 18:21:57 GMT
Free player workout for up to 4 non-profile players? Is that too much? that was actually something i thought of as well. the non-profile player limits the value and doesn't make it o.p. if you will |
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Post by killybing on May 19, 2020 18:28:01 GMT
Free player workout for up to 4 non-profile players? Is that too much? that was actually something i thought of as well. the non-profile player limits the value and doesn't make it o.p. if you will
I've been trying to come up with an idea to have some sort of reduced-cost scouting for later rounds for awhile now. Scout coach could keep it contained (so delap can't scout every 2nd rounder for instance), but yet still be fun and useful.
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Post by skrouse on May 20, 2020 0:07:03 GMT
Just gotta remember to keep the work low for eric
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on May 20, 2020 13:04:20 GMT
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Post by jhb on May 20, 2020 14:12:25 GMT
5k to get half-price second round scouts in the draft that begins in the season you use the coach
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Post by skrouse on May 20, 2020 15:28:36 GMT
Why limit it to 2nd rounders? Why not just make all scouting half price? or maybe only some scouts?
This is the list - why don't we allow 1/2 price for tier 1-3 and maybe Stats. Creates no extra work for Eric, Tim would just need to make sure the coach is in place when a GM post the scout at half price.
tier 1 - 5000 - the attribute total of the player
tier 2 - 10000 - the attribute breakdown of a given grade (Inside, Outside, etc.) in letter form (A = 81-100, B = 61-80, etc.)
tier 3 - 17000 - all attributes in letter form
tier 4 - 30000 - all attributes exactly
private workout - 25000 - the rank of two (+5000 for each additional participant) players in all attributes
stats - 25000 - the following aggregate per-36 stats from the season run three times test sim - only profile players can use this tier
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Post by Druce on May 20, 2020 15:33:00 GMT
i feel like 1 half priced scout would be worth it outside of tier 4. so the max savings would be like 7500 pennies on a stat or private workout for 2 players
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Post by Druce on May 20, 2020 15:47:57 GMT
so 1 half price scout for anything outside of the all attributes scout. is that agreeable? thats a max value of 7500
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Post by skrouse on May 20, 2020 15:51:49 GMT
Why limit it to 2nd rounders? Why not just make all scouting half price? or maybe only some scouts? This is the list - why don't we allow 1/2 price for tier 1-3 and maybe Stats. Creates no extra work for Eric, Tim would just need to make sure the coach is in place when a GM post the scout at half price. tier 1 - 5000 - the attribute total of the player tier 2 - 10000 - the attribute breakdown of a given grade (Inside, Outside, etc.) in letter form (A = 81-100, B = 61-80, etc.) tier 3 - 17000 - all attributes in letter form tier 4 - 30000 - all attributes exactly private workout - 25000 - the rank of two (+5000 for each additional participant) players in all attributes stats - 25000 - the following aggregate per-36 stats from the season run three times test sim - only profile players can use this tier Because then this could be a coach feasibly worth over 100,000 bucks. OK, so we need to cap it. But still allow for some value based on opportunity cost of not hiring other coaches.
How about Scout Coach provides 10K of "Scout bucks"?
So that equates to
2 free tier 1s (10K Value)
1 free tier 2 - (10K Value)
1 10K discount to tier 3, 4, Private Workouts and Stats |
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Post by eric on May 20, 2020 15:58:38 GMT
Why limit it to 2nd rounders? Why not just make all scouting half price? or maybe only some scouts? This is the list - why don't we allow 1/2 price for tier 1-3 and maybe Stats. Creates no extra work for Eric, Tim would just need to make sure the coach is in place when a GM post the scout at half price. tier 1 - 5000 - the attribute total of the player tier 2 - 10000 - the attribute breakdown of a given grade (Inside, Outside, etc.) in letter form (A = 81-100, B = 61-80, etc.) tier 3 - 17000 - all attributes in letter form tier 4 - 30000 - all attributes exactly private workout - 25000 - the rank of two (+5000 for each additional participant) players in all attributes stats - 25000 - the following aggregate per-36 stats from the season run three times test sim - only profile players can use this tier what if all scouts were -5000 in cost (min scout cost 5000 so tier 1 stays the same) that way it exactly pays for itself with one scout of any kind, and we don't have to worry about reevaluating when costs change in the future |
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Post by skrouse on May 20, 2020 16:01:12 GMT
Why limit it to 2nd rounders? Why not just make all scouting half price? or maybe only some scouts? This is the list - why don't we allow 1/2 price for tier 1-3 and maybe Stats. Creates no extra work for Eric, Tim would just need to make sure the coach is in place when a GM post the scout at half price. tier 1 - 5000 - the attribute total of the player tier 2 - 10000 - the attribute breakdown of a given grade (Inside, Outside, etc.) in letter form (A = 81-100, B = 61-80, etc.) tier 3 - 17000 - all attributes in letter form tier 4 - 30000 - all attributes exactly private workout - 25000 - the rank of two (+5000 for each additional participant) players in all attributes stats - 25000 - the following aggregate per-36 stats from the season run three times test sim - only profile players can use this tier what if all scouts were -5000 in cost (min scout cost 5000 so tier 1 stays the same) that way it exactly pays for itself with one scout of any kind, and we don't have to worry about reevaluating when costs change in the future Then you gain nothing from purchasing the coach and it becomes moot.
We have to provide a benefit for choosing the Scout coach over the others. If we only make the Scout coach worth 5K, then a GM is better off purchasing a different coach and just paying the full price for scouts
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Post by TimPig on May 20, 2020 16:01:54 GMT
what if all scouts were -5000 in cost (min scout cost 5000 so tier 1 stays the same) that way it exactly pays for itself with one scout of any kind, and we don't have to worry about reevaluating when costs change in the future Then you gain nothing from purchasing the coach and it becomes moot.
We have to provide a benefit for choosing the Scout coach over the others. If we only make the Scout coach worth 5K, then a GM is better off purchasing a different coach and just paying the full price for scouts
A GM could save tens of thousands of bucks with eric's proposal. |
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Post by skrouse on May 20, 2020 16:05:28 GMT
Then you gain nothing from purchasing the coach and it becomes moot.
We have to provide a benefit for choosing the Scout coach over the others. If we only make the Scout coach worth 5K, then a GM is better off purchasing a different coach and just paying the full price for scouts
A GM could save tens of thousands of bucks with eric's proposal. I read eric's note as a one time use.
So essentially make the Scout coach apply a 5K discount to all scouts with no limits, correct?
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Post by TimPig on May 20, 2020 16:15:06 GMT
A GM could save tens of thousands of bucks with eric's proposal. I read eric's note as a one time use.
So essentially make the Scout coach apply a 5K discount to all scouts with no limits, correct?
He just said it will pay for itself with any single scout greater than the 5k tier 1 scout (since there would be a 5k minimum). |
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Post by skrouse on May 20, 2020 16:19:41 GMT
I read eric's note as a one time use.
So essentially make the Scout coach apply a 5K discount to all scouts with no limits, correct?
He just said it will pay for itself with any single scout greater than the 5k tier 1 scout (since there would be a 5k minimum). OK, so back to you point, this could add up quickly in value.
Do we need to cap it?
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Post by Druce on May 20, 2020 16:20:22 GMT
that makes sense
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Post by Druce on May 20, 2020 16:20:50 GMT
He just said it will pay for itself with any single scout greater than the 5k tier 1 scout (since there would be a 5k minimum). OK, so back to you point, this could add up quickly in value.
Do we need to cap it?
i don't personally see a ton of people doing more than 2/3 scouts in a season |
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Post by TimPig on May 20, 2020 16:21:51 GMT
He just said it will pay for itself with any single scout greater than the 5k tier 1 scout (since there would be a 5k minimum). OK, so back to you point, this could add up quickly in value.
Do we need to cap it?
I don’t think so. If a GM is saving 50k they’re still spending over 100k probably. |
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Post by killybing on May 20, 2020 16:40:42 GMT
i dont love the idea of getting a coach that can save you tons of bucks way beyond what a sports scientist would add
You could literally use the 7k scout 5 times for only 10k
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Post by Druce on May 20, 2020 16:44:11 GMT
i dont love the idea of getting a coach that can save you tons of bucks way beyond what a sports scientist would add You could literally use the 7k scout 5 times for only 10k point me in the direction of the 7k scout |
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Post by killybing on May 20, 2020 16:46:03 GMT
i dont love the idea of getting a coach that can save you tons of bucks way beyond what a sports scientist would add You could literally use the 7k scout 5 times for only 10k point me in the direction of the 7k scout
hmm.... i thought single attribute scout used to be 7k
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Post by eric on May 20, 2020 20:43:51 GMT
i dont love the idea of getting a coach that can save you tons of bucks way beyond what a sports scientist would add You could literally use the 7k scout 5 times for only 10k there would still be a 5k min on scouting at all though and while to skrouse's point it could add up quickly, i like the idea of a GM being able to have palpable ROI the more they spend another problem with the old scout coach was +10 potential is invisible AND can do literally nothing the more i talk about this the more i like it nothing is happening this year in any event but unless we get dramatically more discussion i'll probably implement it for next year |
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Post by TimPig on May 20, 2020 20:56:28 GMT
i dont love the idea of getting a coach that can save you tons of bucks way beyond what a sports scientist would add You could literally use the 7k scout 5 times for only 10k there would still be a 5k min on scouting at all though and while to skrouse's point it could add up quickly, i like the idea of a GM being able to have palpable ROI the more they spend another problem with the old scout coach was +10 potential is invisible AND can do literally nothing the more i talk about this the more i like it nothing is happening this year in any event but unless we get dramatically more discussion i'll probably implement it for next year To be clear - you favor the 5k discount on all scouting options (with a 5k minimum)? I'm fine with that, as well as some of the other proposals. Would it be reasonable to create a poll to determine which is preferred by the most GMs or is your mind made up? |
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Post by eric on May 20, 2020 21:30:20 GMT
there would still be a 5k min on scouting at all though and while to skrouse's point it could add up quickly, i like the idea of a GM being able to have palpable ROI the more they spend another problem with the old scout coach was +10 potential is invisible AND can do literally nothing the more i talk about this the more i like it nothing is happening this year in any event but unless we get dramatically more discussion i'll probably implement it for next year To be clear - you favor the 5k discount on all scouting options (with a 5k minimum)? I'm fine with that, as well as some of the other proposals. Would it be reasonable to create a poll to determine which is preferred by the most GMs or is your mind made up? that is what i favor it is always reasonable to create a poll with that said, to temper peoples' expectations, in this case my mind is pretty well made up and i would respond better to words than [snicker] "numbers" [snicker] |
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Post by skrouse on May 20, 2020 23:41:40 GMT
5k discount on all scouting options (5k minimum purchase)
This sounds good. And I like the spend bucks to make bucks concept. Plus, it has a defacto cap, the GM's bank.
Was thinking unlimited tier 1s for free, which meant the whole class. Seems easy to implement too. Lots of wins.
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