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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:18:05 GMT
At this point you made a sheriff claim which is false so you gotta die this. and if Ank's claim was accurate. He'd have died last night. It was a desperate play because we were about to knock out a 2nd Mafia on day 2. Ank's a solid player, but he's 100% got to go for a fake sheriff claim. Even if he is just a civ, it's not the end of the world. If my claim was accurate, I would in fact not have been killed last night because there is 1 mafia left. If my claim was accurate, they would have thought me the sheriff. Killing me would have presumably revealed that. And the game would be over. |
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Post by jhb on Mar 24, 2020 14:19:22 GMT
That's why it's also really suspect that you made a claim to be sheriff and then weren't the target of a mafia hit with no protective roles in the game
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Post by TimPig on Mar 24, 2020 14:20:25 GMT
I mean the mafia would know I’m not mafia of course, so they’d know Ank is full of shit.
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Post by TimPig on Mar 24, 2020 14:20:52 GMT
I mean the mafia would know I’m not mafia of course, so they’d know Ank is full of shit. Was* full of shit. |
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Post by jhb on Mar 24, 2020 14:20:54 GMT
Ank - 4 (tim, matt, jhb, canes)
No vote - ank, soup, skrouse
We have a majority
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Post by jhb on Mar 24, 2020 14:21:27 GMT
I mean the mafia would know I’m not mafia of course, so they’d know Ank is full of shit. That's a fair point |
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Post by jhb on Mar 24, 2020 14:21:44 GMT
Ank - 4 (tim, matt, jhb, canes) No vote - ank, soup, skrouse We have a majority |
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:22:26 GMT
Can you find a hole in my logic? How would a mafia member ever win if they simultaneously faked cop on day 2 and killed their last teammate? In a game with 1 cop. Yes, your logic assumes you didn't simply make a bad game play or intentionally make one with the idea you could talk your way out of it by making this argument That would not simply be a bad game play. It would be preposterously bad if I was mafia. E-knowing me as a person, is it more likely that I am going to: 1. Completely torpedo the mafia's efforts via stupidity or purposeful sabotage (e.g. Odin) 2. Make an incredibly arrogant play as a vanilla townie |
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Post by jhb on Mar 24, 2020 14:23:13 GMT
3. Make a preposterously bad gameplay as a mafia and bank on being able to convince everyone of 2
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:24:06 GMT
I mean the mafia would know I’m not mafia of course, so they’d know Ank is full of shit. Correct (probably). If the mafia had 2 people left and didn't hit me, you'd pretty much be 100% cleared. That there is 1 member left does open the door to you potentially being mafia still. I don't mean this as an accusation, just an analysis of how cleared you are. |
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:24:23 GMT
Do not majority me dummies
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Post by TimPig on Mar 24, 2020 14:24:43 GMT
No vote for now.
I don't think we need a majority before others have even checked in.
I'm going to re-read Ank's pleas a couple more times to try and wrap my head around them.
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:27:29 GMT
Another comment. Delap messed up. If you're a cop that sees a fake cop unfolding at the deadline, you should never tip your hand unless it's a late game situation.
For anyone who knew that I was lying which would potentially include Delap, myself, and the mafia, it would have been abundantly obvious that Delap was the cop given his final vote switch after my claim.
JHB is correct that Delap dying makes my fake claim look like shit. Therefore, why would I have targeted Delap for the hit if he clearly had signaled he was cop?
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Post by TimPig on Mar 24, 2020 14:29:53 GMT
There is also the fact that Delap, our sheriff, was waffling between both Ank and Druce.
Not a smoking gun by any means, but his gut was definitely correct for the latter. Did he also investigate (or perhaps only?) Ank but didn't have time to reveal his findings, and Ank killed him last night knowing he could pull this story?
If Ank and Druce were both mafia, the vote counts showed that one or the other was going to go no matter what. No one else was close. It'd be sensible as a last-ditch effort for Ank, as a name-clearing move, to vote for Druce.
The fake sheriff thing...I am still not really following that. Had he not tried to pull whatever that was, it seems like he'd *almost* be cleared because he'd have been a crucial vote in killing a mafia member during the day.
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Post by TimPig on Mar 24, 2020 14:30:36 GMT
For anyone who knew that I was lying which would potentially include Delap, myself, and the mafia, it would have been abundantly obvious that Delap was the cop given his final vote switch after my claim. And Tim.  |
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Post by matt on Mar 24, 2020 14:33:36 GMT
There is also the fact that Delap, our sheriff, was waffling between both Ank and Druce. Not a smoking gun by any means, but his gut was definitely correct for the latter. Did he also investigate (or perhaps only?) Ank but didn't have time to reveal his findings, and Ank killed him last night knowing he could pull this story? If Ank and Druce were both mafia, the vote counts showed that one or the other was going to go no matter what. No one else was close. It'd be sensible as a last-ditch effort for Ank, as a name-clearing move, to vote for Druce. The fake sheriff thing...I am still not really following that. Had he not tried to pull whatever that was, it seems like he'd *almost* be cleared because he'd have been a crucial vote in killing a mafia member during the day. I don’t think he investigated Druce because he pulled a vote off of Druce to eliminate a tie late in the day. It’s entirely possible he did that to lessen his visibility as sheriff but then the move back to Druce doesn’t signal that. |
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:33:52 GMT
There is also the fact that Delap, our sheriff, was waffling between both Ank and Druce. Not a smoking gun by any means, but his gut was definitely correct for the latter. Did he also investigate (or perhaps only?) Ank but didn't have time to reveal his findings, and Ank killed him last night knowing he could pull this story? If Ank and Druce were both mafia, the vote counts showed that one or the other was going to go no matter what. No one else was close. It'd be sensible as a last-ditch effort for Ank, as a name-clearing move, to vote for Druce. The fake sheriff thing...I am still not really following that. Had he not tried to pull whatever that was, it seems like he'd *almost* be cleared because he'd have been a crucial vote in killing a mafia member during the day. Exactly right. The fake sheriff thing is ridiculous on its face if I was mafia. Why would mafia Ank not be content with killing Druce and being pretty well cleared on the strength of that? |
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:34:29 GMT
For anyone who knew that I was lying which would potentially include Delap, myself, and the mafia, it would have been abundantly obvious that Delap was the cop given his final vote switch after my claim. And Tim. Potentially true as well lol |
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Post by cf3234 on Mar 24, 2020 14:35:16 GMT
Another comment. Delap messed up. If you're a cop that sees a fake cop unfolding at the deadline, you should never tip your hand unless it's a late game situation. For anyone who knew that I was lying which would potentially include Delap, myself, and the mafia, it would have been abundantly obvious that Delap was the cop given his final vote switch after my claim. JHB is correct that Delap dying makes my fake claim look like shit. Therefore, why would I have targeted Delap for the hit if he clearly had signaled he was cop? There was no reason for a fake cop gambit so early in a game when we had already knocked off 1 mafia at the cost of 1 civ and 1 power role. All you've done is create confusion and possibly cost us our actual cop because he made a last second switch to you because he knew he was the cop. Confusion needs to be eliminated. |
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:37:55 GMT
Another comment. Delap messed up. If you're a cop that sees a fake cop unfolding at the deadline, you should never tip your hand unless it's a late game situation. For anyone who knew that I was lying which would potentially include Delap, myself, and the mafia, it would have been abundantly obvious that Delap was the cop given his final vote switch after my claim. JHB is correct that Delap dying makes my fake claim look like shit. Therefore, why would I have targeted Delap for the hit if he clearly had signaled he was cop? There was no reason for a fake cop gambit so early in a game when we had already knocked off 1 mafia at the cost of 1 civ and 1 power role. All you've done is create confusion and possibly cost us our actual cop because he made a last second switch to you because he knew he was the cop. Confusion needs to be eliminated. There is confusion, but I would argue it can be logically parsed out what happened. I was certainly not banking on the actual cop essentially revealing himself in the dying moments. I had intended my post to be the last one of the day. That reality (Delap tipping his hand) certainly tips the gambit into negative territory for the town. |
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Post by TimPig on Mar 24, 2020 14:38:00 GMT
1. If I declare you are mafia and am right, the mafia surely believes I'm cop and kills me. I am revealed as vanilla town. This keeps the real sheriff alive and essentially confirms that TimPig is indeed mafia. How would this confirm that I'm mafia? If you died and were confirmed vanilla civ, everyone would know you were full of shit. Mafia would obviously let me live for as long as they could, and the town would wonder why the hell a vanilla civ was making a claim about someone when there's no way they could have known. Maybe someone reads into whatever your intentions were and convinces everyone else to vote for me, thereby killing another vanilla civ. |
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Post by TimPig on Mar 24, 2020 14:40:33 GMT
I'm curious why I was singled out with your "fake cop" gambit yesterday, Ank?
I was going in hard on you for most of the day. Why would you pick the person going after you as the guinea pig for your experiment?
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:41:20 GMT
1. If I declare you are mafia and am right, the mafia surely believes I'm cop and kills me. I am revealed as vanilla town. This keeps the real sheriff alive and essentially confirms that TimPig is indeed mafia. How would this confirm that I'm mafia? If you died and were confirmed vanilla civ, everyone would know you were full of shit. Mafia would obviously let me live for as long as they could, and the town would wonder why the hell a vanilla civ was making a claim about someone when there's no way they could have known. Maybe someone reads into whatever your intentions were and convinces everyone else to vote for me, thereby killing another vanilla civ. You have to imagine you are in the mafia lair. And that Druce wasn't mafia. 1. Ank claims Sheriff and correctly fingers Tim as mafia 2. Mafia surely believes Ank and takes him out of the game But this is not what happened, so I don't think it's really worth breaking down in detail. |
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Post by TimPig on Mar 24, 2020 14:43:05 GMT
How would this confirm that I'm mafia? If you died and were confirmed vanilla civ, everyone would know you were full of shit. Mafia would obviously let me live for as long as they could, and the town would wonder why the hell a vanilla civ was making a claim about someone when there's no way they could have known. Maybe someone reads into whatever your intentions were and convinces everyone else to vote for me, thereby killing another vanilla civ. You have to imagine you are in the mafia lair. And that Druce wasn't mafia. 1. Ank claims Sheriff and correctly fingers Tim as mafia 2. Mafia surely believes Ank and takes him out of the game But this is not what happened, so I don't think it's really worth breaking down in detail. Seems like a lot of assumptions need to go down to make your experiment work. |
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Post by jhb on Mar 24, 2020 14:44:27 GMT
We’ve got a guy here who the sheriff was very confident about voting off yesterday that we already know lied about his role
This is about as cut and dry as it gets and allowing ank to linger would be a liability for the town
We have plenty of shots at this so it makes no sense to not eliminate him first
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:45:13 GMT
You have to imagine you are in the mafia lair. And that Druce wasn't mafia. 1. Ank claims Sheriff and correctly fingers Tim as mafia 2. Mafia surely believes Ank and takes him out of the game But this is not what happened, so I don't think it's really worth breaking down in detail. Seems like a lot of assumptions need to go down to make your experiment work. The only assumption that really needed to happen is Druce not being mafia. If there was 2 mafia left and they didn't kill me, you'd be confirmed town. |
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Post by jhb on Mar 24, 2020 14:45:37 GMT
By his own logic if he were vanilla town he wouldn’t be fighting this elimination so hard either
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:46:43 GMT
We’ve got a guy here who the sheriff was very confident about voting off yesterday that we already know lied about his role This is about as cut and dry as it gets and allowing ank to linger would be a liability for the town We have plenty of shots at this so it makes no sense to not eliminate him first Delap wasn't confident in my yesterday. He was acting in self-preservation. And he said so himself. |
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Post by bankz on Mar 24, 2020 14:47:13 GMT
Ank
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Post by 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 on Mar 24, 2020 14:47:28 GMT
By his own logic if he were vanilla town he wouldn’t be fighting this elimination so hard either I don't mind dying. I just ask that we begin the day 4 conversation while I can still partake. If not Ank, then who? |
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