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Post by eric on Feb 11, 2020 18:00:32 GMT
what if every draft class a handful of random players got a Hidden Potential mark that meant if they received an upgrade of at least +10 they would get an additional +10
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Post by jhb on Feb 11, 2020 18:04:14 GMT
Tell me more
Give me a better example of how this would work functionally
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Post by TimPig on Feb 11, 2020 18:05:42 GMT
Love it. Any sort of little quirks like this are awesome.
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Post by jhb on Feb 11, 2020 18:11:55 GMT
I would prefer if this were for the non-profile guys to make the back half of the draft more interesting rather than adding something for the guys already likely to be good
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Post by skrouse on Feb 11, 2020 18:14:15 GMT
Sounds intriguing. Would like more information like jhb suggested so we can fully understand how it would work.
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Post by TimPig on Feb 11, 2020 18:24:55 GMT
I would prefer if this were for the non-profile guys to make the back half of the draft more interesting rather than adding something for the guys already likely to be good I'm fine RNGing it. If that means a couple profile guys get it too, so be it. |
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Post by eric on Feb 11, 2020 18:52:42 GMT
Tell me more Give me a better example of how this would work functionally skrouse upgrades jim jackson +10 1. Jump Shot 2. Inside Scoring 3. Strength 4. Shot Blocking currently he'd get +6 inside +4 strength if he had Hidden Bonus, he'd instead get +6 inside +4 strength BONUS +10 strength this BONUS +10 wouldn't hit the GM yearly cap or player career cap . i'm leery of restricting it to just non profile since those players hardly get upgrades anyway, and we've had some pretty lousy profile players too my plan is doing 5 players total per class |
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Post by TimPig on Feb 11, 2020 18:59:04 GMT
Wow I completely misunderstood this.
I thought it meant the player would get +10 potential.
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Post by jhb on Feb 11, 2020 19:07:59 GMT
I feel like I don’t like an obvious elite player getting that bonus but I like the idea
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Post by jhb on Feb 11, 2020 19:08:12 GMT
Would we know the players or nah?
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Post by TimPig on Feb 11, 2020 19:54:33 GMT
It sounds like the "hidden bump" would be taken into effect on whichever attribute the GM was upgrading (e.g. strength in the Jim Jackson example above)?
If so, what if the hidden bump put them over the cap for that attribute? Would they only receive an additional +4 or whatever is left?
Also, you'll usually indicate grade changes after an upgrade. If someone were to get +1 with the upgrade, and then an extra +1 due to the hidden bump, would you put +1 or +2? I guess if you put +1 and then the GM checked their roster and saw they actually went +2, it'd be a dead giveaway.
Finally, with the Jim Jackson example above, let's say he got +10 strength with the hidden bump. He's only used +15 so far in his career. If Skrouse came back and gave him an extra +10 steals or whatever, would Jackson get another +10 steals? Or is the hidden bump capped at +10 total?
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Post by eric on Feb 11, 2020 20:10:17 GMT
Would we know the players or nah? only after they were upgraded |
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Post by eric on Feb 11, 2020 20:12:22 GMT
It sounds like the "hidden bump" would be taken into effect on whichever attribute the GM was upgrading (e.g. strength in the Jim Jackson example above)? If so, what if the hidden bump put them over the cap for that attribute? Would they only receive an additional +4 or whatever is left? Also, you'll usually indicate grade changes after an upgrade. If someone were to get +1 with the upgrade, and then an extra +1 due to the hidden bump, would you put +1 or +2? I guess if you put +1 and then the GM checked their roster and saw they actually went +2, it'd be a dead giveaway. Finally, with the Jim Jackson example above, let's say he got +10 strength with the hidden bump. He's only used +15 so far in his career. If Skrouse came back and gave him an extra +10 steals or whatever, would Jackson get another +10 steals? Or is the hidden bump capped at +10 total? it would be just like a normal +10, it would roll over until all attributes were exhausted, and the gm would be notified of the excess if necessary. unlike normal, the bonus would not be transferable to other players the bonus wouldn't be hidden, i would post it just like in the example and it's a one time only thing |
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Post by skrouse on Feb 11, 2020 20:17:53 GMT
Would we know the players or nah? only after they were upgraded Could be a scouting add on, like +10K to know? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 20:28:15 GMT
I feel like I don’t like an obvious elite player getting that bonus but I like the idea
can we fix this before implementing
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Feb 11, 2020 20:44:16 GMT
simple RNG, exclude top 3 picks (by your estimation) or whatever.
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Post by eric on Feb 11, 2020 21:02:06 GMT
only after they were upgraded Could be a scouting add on, like +10K to know? i like that idea how about making it an automatic notification for tier 3/4, and for tier 2 if used on potential |
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Post by eric on Feb 11, 2020 21:03:38 GMT
I feel like I don’t like an obvious elite player getting that bonus but I like the idea can we fix this before implementing
i'm not that worried about this because if a player is elite it means their attributes that are good are already really high. like if joel embiid got a bonus +10 but it could only go to handling or quickness or whatever, does anyone really care? |
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Post by jhb on Feb 11, 2020 21:09:57 GMT
I care deeply
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 21:11:25 GMT
seems like maybe there could be a better way to disperse rather than random
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Post by skrouse on Feb 11, 2020 21:57:32 GMT
seems like maybe there could be a better way to disperse rather than random Such as...? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 22:07:01 GMT
seems like maybe there could be a better way to disperse rather than random Such as...?
my first thought is give it to all players BK drafts
my second thought is it should maybe go with players who have "potential" as their strength (for not profile guys) or who say they have lots of "potential" in the profile. This will be a list of 7-9 guys, then give 3 the bonus.
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Post by TimPig on Feb 11, 2020 22:44:07 GMT
my first thought is give it to all players BK drafts
my second thought is it should maybe go with players who have "potential" as their strength (for not profile guys) or who say they have lots of "potential" in the profile. This will be a list of 7-9 guys, then give 3 the bonus.
I agree with the second paragraph. Still need to think more about your first idea, though it’s certainly growing on me. |
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Feb 12, 2020 17:32:17 GMT
The more I think on it:
1. RNG 1 of the profile players
2. RNG 4 of the non-profile players
that's the best solution
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Post by skrouse on Feb 12, 2020 17:45:37 GMT
The more I think on it: 1. RNG 1 of the profile players 2. RNG 4 of the non-profile players that's the best solution Disagree, if this is supposed to be a hidden bonus, there shouldn't be rules aka clues defining where it goes. Also, the number of profiled players varies year to year, correct? I think we should make it fully random, but it should be captured somewhere so we have controls around it and can look back to see who had them. |
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Post by eric on Feb 12, 2020 18:06:28 GMT
The more I think on it: 1. RNG 1 of the profile players 2. RNG 4 of the non-profile players that's the best solution Disagree, if this is supposed to be a hidden bonus, there shouldn't be rules aka clues defining where it goes. Also, the number of profiled players varies year to year, correct? I think we should make it fully random, but it should be captured somewhere so we have controls around it and can look back to see who had them. i do have a record of it. now that we have All Players it'll be easy enough to keep track of players who leave without retiring, let's see how that goes |
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