2024 Win Shares (464 views)

[eric]

day 30

point guard

4.9 Steve Nash
4.5 Penny Hardaway
4.4 John Wall
3.9 Oscar Robertson
3.8 Andre Miller
3.6 Allen Iverson
3.4 Nick Van Exel
3.1 Kyrie Irving
2.8 Jason Kidd
2.8 God Shammgod
2.5 Devin Harris
2.2 Charlie Ward
2.0 Antonio Daniels
1.9 K.C. Jones
1.5 Guy Rodgers
1.4 Norm Nixon
1.1 Kevin Johnson
1.0 Howard Eisley
.9 Khalid Reeves
.9 Chauncey Billups
.8 Shaun Livingston
.8 Tom Thacker
.8 Al Attles
.7 Otis Birdsong
.6 Lenny Wilkens
.4 Marcus Taylor
.4 Jim King
.2 Hal Greer
.2 Winston Garland
.2 Brooks Thompson
.1 Peja Stojakovic
.1 Kemba Walker
.0 Sihugo Green
.0 Don Nelson

shooting guard

5.5 Stephen Jackson
4.6 Kenny Smith
4.3 Sam Jones
4.2 Manu Ginobili
4.1 Andre Iguodala
3.5 Richard Hamilton
3.3 Jimmy Butler
3.0 Eddie Jones
2.7 Paul George
2.4 Bob Cousy
2.3 Wesley Johnson
2.3 Grant Hill
1.8 Jerry West
1.8 Bernard King
1.6 Rick Barry
1.6 Bob Wiesenhahn
1.0 Willie Naulls
.9 Terry Dischinger
.8 Walt Hazzard
.8 Greg Minor
.7 Jimmer Fredette
.7 Adrian Smith
.6 Carlos Rogers
.5 Scottie Pippen
.4 Cedric Maxwell
.1 Paul Arizin
.0 Drew Barry
.0 T.R. Dunn

small forward

5.5 Tracy McGrady
4.3 Ron Artest
3.2 Cazzie Russell
3.0 Donyell Marshall
2.8 Ron Mercer
2.8 Rick Fox
2.5 Dennis Hopson
2.0 Klay Thompson
2.0 Shawn Marion
1.9 Kawhi Leonard
1.9 Elgin Baylor
1.8 Kobe Bryant
1.8 Ray Allen
1.8 Marques Johnson
1.8 Stacey Augmon
1.7 Luol Deng
1.5 Josh Smith
1.4 Andrei Kirilenko
1.3 Jerry Sloan
1.2 Maurice Stokes
1.1 Lamond Murray
1.1 Antonio Lang
.9 John Havlicek
.6 Satch Sanders
.6 Ernie Grunfeld
.6 Jalen Rose
.5 Glenn Robinson
.3 Dave DeBusschere
.3 Bo Ellis

power forward

6.5 Tim Duncan
6.1 Shawn Kemp
4.5 Dwight Howard
4.5 Zach Randolph
3.9 Elton Brand
3.7 Rodney Rogers
3.7 Olden Polynice
3.4 Marcus Camby
2.9 Chris Webber
2.8 Bob Pettit
2.6 Tony Battie
2.5 Dickey Simpkins
2.5 Juwan Howard
2.4 Dino Radja
2.3 Shareef Abdur-Rahim
2.3 Tobias Harris
1.8 Tom Meschery
1.7 Billy Cunningham
1.3 Clifford Rozier
1.0 Clyde Lovellette
1.0 Robert Swift
.8 Paul Silas
.8 Antoine Walker
.6 Erick Dampier
.6 Cliff Robinson
.5 Tree Rollins
.5 Yinka Dare
.4 Brian Grant
.4 Pau Gasol
.3 Ousmane Cisse
.2 Emeka Okafor
.1 Greg Ballard
.0 Dontonio Wingfield
.0 Chris Dudley
.0 Jack Sikma
.0 Wayne Embry
.0 Len Chappell

center

5.8 Bill Russell
5.5 Enes Kanter
5.3 Wilt Chamberlain
5.0 DeMarcus Cousins
4.8 David Robinson
4.2 Jermaine O'Neal
4.0 Jonas Valanciunas
4.0 Willis Reed
3.6 Jerry Lucas
3.6 Horace Grant
2.9 Vlade Divac
2.9 Greg Monroe
2.8 Adonal Foyle
2.5 Rafael Araujo
2.2 Nikola Vucevic
2.2 Nate Thurmond
1.9 Armen Gilliam
1.9 Kent Benson
1.8 Zelmo Beaty
1.3 Jim McIlvane
1.1 Walt Bellamy
1.1 Shawnelle Scott
1.1 Zydrunas Ilgauskas
1.0 Eric Montross
.9 Bill McGill
.7 Vitaly Potapenko
.7 Al Jefferson
.5 Darrall Imhoff
.1 Ralph Drollinger
.0 Chris Andersen

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[TimPig]

It really feels like Elton Brand shouldn't be that high...

[eric]

day 60

All-Star Break All-NBA Team



point guard

10.3 John Wall
8.6 Steve Nash
8.6 Penny Hardaway
8.1 Nick Van Exel
7.7 Oscar Robertson
7.3 Kyrie Irving
6.7 Andre Miller
6.3 God Shammgod
5.4 Devin Harris
4.7 Allen Iverson
4.3 Jason Kidd
3.4 Antonio Daniels
2.8 Charlie Ward
2.6 K.C. Jones
2.5 Jim King
2.4 Al Attles
2.3 Norm Nixon
2.2 Guy Rodgers
2.2 Tom Thacker
1.9 Otis Birdsong
1.8 Hal Greer
1.7 Howard Eisley
1.5 Kevin Johnson
1.5 Shaun Livingston
1.2 Lenny Wilkens
.9 Marcus Taylor
.8 Khalid Reeves
.8 Chauncey Billups
.3 Brooks Thompson
.3 Peja Stojakovic
.2 Winston Garland
.1 Sihugo Green
.1 Kemba Walker
.0 Don Nelson

shooting guard

11.1 Stephen Jackson
6.6 Sam Jones
6.6 Andre Iguodala
6.6 Jimmy Butler
6.2 Kenny Smith
5.6 Paul George
5.1 Grant Hill
5.1 Manu Ginobili
5.0 Rick Barry
4.5 Eddie Jones
4.1 Bob Cousy
4.0 Richard Hamilton
3.6 Jerry West
3.3 Kobe Bryant
2.5 Bernard King
2.1 Bob Wiesenhahn
2.0 Terry Dischinger
1.8 Adrian Smith
1.8 Carlos Rogers
1.7 Walt Hazzard
1.6 Willie Naulls
1.1 Greg Minor
1.0 Scottie Pippen
.8 Jimmer Fredette
.4 Cedric Maxwell
.3 Paul Arizin
.0 T.R. Dunn
.0 Drew Barry
-.1 Andre Emmett

small forward

9.7 Tracy McGrady
6.2 Ron Artest
5.6 Cazzie Russell
5.4 Kawhi Leonard
5.1 Dennis Hopson
5.0 Ron Mercer
4.7 Donyell Marshall
4.1 Josh Smith
4.1 Wesley Johnson
4.1 Rick Fox
3.8 Luol Deng
3.5 Elgin Baylor
3.3 Marques Johnson
3.2 Ray Allen
3.1 Klay Thompson
2.7 Andrei Kirilenko
2.6 Maurice Stokes
2.4 Jalen Rose
2.4 Jerry Sloan
2.3 Glenn Robinson
2.2 Stacey Augmon
1.9 Shawn Marion
1.6 Lamond Murray
1.5 Satch Sanders
1.5 John Havlicek
1.2 Dave DeBusschere
1.2 Antonio Lang
.9 Ernie Grunfeld
.4 Bo Ellis

power forward

9.7 Shawn Kemp
9.6 Dwight Howard
9.4 Zach Randolph
9.2 Tim Duncan
7.8 Olden Polynice
7.2 Elton Brand
6.2 Marcus Camby
6.2 Tobias Harris
5.4 Dino Radja
5.1 Tony Battie
4.8 Bob Pettit
4.8 Rodney Rogers
4.3 Juwan Howard
4.1 Shareef Abdur-Rahim
3.9 Chris Webber
3.6 Dickey Simpkins
2.8 Billy Cunningham
2.6 Tom Meschery
2.5 Clyde Lovellette
2.3 Tree Rollins
2.1 Antoine Walker
2.0 Clifford Rozier
1.5 Cliff Robinson
1.2 Pau Gasol
.9 Robert Swift
.8 Erick Dampier
.8 Yinka Dare
.6 Brian Grant
.6 Paul Silas
.6 Emeka Okafor
.5 Ousmane Cisse
.1 Dontonio Wingfield
.1 Greg Ballard
.1 Jack Sikma
.1 Wayne Embry
.0 Chris Dudley
.0 Len Chappell

center

10.4 David Robinson
9.9 Jonas Valanciunas
9.3 Bill Russell
9.2 Wilt Chamberlain
7.8 Enes Kanter
7.3 DeMarcus Cousins
7.3 Greg Monroe
6.7 Willis Reed
6.0 Nate Thurmond
5.7 Jerry Lucas
5.3 Horace Grant
5.3 Nikola Vucevic
4.9 Jermaine O'Neal
4.2 Vlade Divac
3.7 Zelmo Beaty
3.7 Armen Gilliam
3.6 Adonal Foyle
3.2 Rafael Araujo
3.1 Jim McIlvane
2.9 Shawnelle Scott
2.8 Kent Benson
2.5 Vitaly Potapenko
2.4 Bill McGill
2.3 Walt Bellamy
1.9 Darrall Imhoff
1.5 Zydrunas Ilgauskas
1.5 Eric Montross
.6 Chris Andersen
.4 Al Jefferson
.2 Ralph Drollinger
.0 Pero Antic

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[eric]

day 90

Projected Top Five

18.6 Tim Duncan
18.2 Kyrie Irving
17.1 Stephen Jackson
16.9 David Robinson
16.4 Bill Russell
point guard

11.9 Kyrie Irving
11.4 John Wall
10.2 Steve Nash
9.6 Penny Hardaway
9.0 Nick Van Exel
8.8 God Shammgod
7.9 Oscar Robertson
7.1 Devin Harris
6.5 Andre Miller
6.3 Allen Iverson
5.0 Jason Kidd
4.1 Antonio Daniels
2.9 Guy Rodgers
2.8 K.C. Jones
2.7 Norm Nixon
2.3 Al Attles
2.1 Lenny Wilkens
1.9 Tom Thacker
1.9 Charlie Ward
1.8 Otis Birdsong
1.7 Kevin Johnson
1.7 Shaun Livingston
1.2 Howard Eisley
1.1 Khalid Reeves
.9 Jim King
.9 Marcus Taylor
.8 Hal Greer
.7 Brooks Thompson
.5 Chauncey Billups
.3 Sihugo Green
.2 Peja Stojakovic
.1 Winston Garland
.1 Kemba Walker
.0 Sam Cassell
-.1 Don Nelson

shooting guard

12.3 Stephen Jackson
8.4 Kenny Smith
7.7 Jimmy Butler
6.5 Sam Jones
6.5 Andre Iguodala
5.6 Richard Hamilton
5.5 Grant Hill
5.1 Rick Barry
4.7 Paul George
4.7 Eddie Jones
4.4 Manu Ginobili
4.1 Willie Naulls
3.7 Bob Cousy
3.3 Jerry West
2.7 Kobe Bryant
2.2 Bernard King
1.9 Adrian Smith
1.7 Walt Hazzard
1.6 Terry Dischinger
1.4 Bob Wiesenhahn
1.3 Greg Minor
.9 Paul Arizin
.8 Scottie Pippen
.6 Jimmer Fredette
.3 Carlos Rogers
.2 Andre Emmett
.1 Drew Barry
.0 T.R. Dunn
.0 Cedric Maxwell

small forward

12.1 Tracy McGrady
8.5 Ron Artest
6.4 Kawhi Leonard
6.2 Dennis Hopson
5.8 Cazzie Russell
5.4 Ron Mercer
5.0 Rick Fox
4.8 Donyell Marshall
4.4 Elgin Baylor
4.4 Josh Smith
4.3 Marques Johnson
4.2 Luol Deng
3.9 Andrei Kirilenko
3.5 Stacey Augmon
3.4 Wesley Johnson
3.1 Ray Allen
3.1 Klay Thompson
2.8 Shawn Marion
2.5 Jerry Sloan
2.5 John Havlicek
2.3 Glenn Robinson
2.2 Jalen Rose
2.0 Lamond Murray
1.8 Maurice Stokes
1.5 Dave DeBusschere
1.4 Satch Sanders
.8 Bo Ellis
.4 Antonio Lang
.2 Greg Ballard
-.1 Ernie Grunfeld

power forward

13.4 Tim Duncan
11.1 Zach Randolph
11.0 Dwight Howard
9.7 Shawn Kemp
8.2 Olden Polynice
7.8 Marcus Camby
7.1 Elton Brand
6.6 Tobias Harris
6.5 Rodney Rogers
6.0 Shareef Abdur-Rahim
5.9 Dino Radja
5.6 Bob Pettit
5.3 Tony Battie
3.8 Juwan Howard
3.5 Chris Webber
3.2 Billy Cunningham
3.2 Clyde Lovellette
2.6 Antoine Walker
2.2 Clifford Rozier
2.2 Dickey Simpkins
1.8 Tree Rollins
1.6 Yinka Dare
1.2 Pau Gasol
1.2 Cliff Robinson
1.1 Tom Meschery
1.1 Robert Swift
.8 Erick Dampier
.8 Emeka Okafor
.6 Paul Silas
.4 Ousmane Cisse
.4 Brian Grant
.1 Jack Sikma
.1 Wayne Embry
.1 Dontonio Wingfield
.0 Len Chappell
.0 Chris Dudley

center

13.2 David Robinson
11.6 Bill Russell
11.5 Wilt Chamberlain
11.0 Jonas Valanciunas
9.0 Greg Monroe
8.6 DeMarcus Cousins
8.4 Willis Reed
8.2 Enes Kanter
7.7 Jerry Lucas
6.5 Jermaine O'Neal
6.0 Horace Grant
6.0 Vlade Divac
5.2 Adonal Foyle
5.2 Nate Thurmond
4.8 Armen Gilliam
4.7 Rafael Araujo
4.7 Nikola Vucevic
3.3 Jim McIlvane
3.1 Walt Bellamy
3.1 Zelmo Beaty
3.1 Shawnelle Scott
2.8 Vitaly Potapenko
2.2 Darrall Imhoff
1.7 Zydrunas Ilgauskas
1.3 Bill McGill
.9 Kent Benson
.7 Chris Andersen
.4 Ralph Drollinger
.4 Al Jefferson
.0 Eric Montross
.0 Pero Antic

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top 2 as Mavs? I like those projections

[eric]

day 120

h/t 👼Saint Panktrick's Day👼 @bk

All-NBA by WS Rank
PG: 2, 1, 4
SG: x, 1, 8
SF: x, x, x
PF: 2, 1, 6
C_: 1, 2, x

Bill Russell has the most WS of any player who played more than half a season

considering Kyrie doesn't even play half the time he's in the game

so I'd say imo he's the deserved MVP iyam. T-Mac and S-Jac are the only wings worth a darn and unfortunately they're listed at the same position so only one can get First Team. Dwight over Wilt/Jonas is questionable, Elton Brand over Wilt/Jonas is kooooWESSSSSTIONABLE!!! But tbh the biggest "head"-scratcher is Bob Wiesenhahn over Jerry West - the Pistons were on the playoff bubble while the Pacers were dead last in the Robot League (so that's a draw), neither were even starters on their teams, per-36 of 16/5/4/1/.5/1.4 on 1.11 pts/tsa seems way better than 11/7/2/1/.3/1.5 on .97 pts/tsa and even accounting for Big Wiesy's increased MP doesn't seem like it would be a deal-breaker.


point guard

19.3 Kyrie Irving
14.5 John Wall
13.3 Steve Nash
13.3 Penny Hardaway
12.9 God Shammgod
12.3 Nick Van Exel
11.2 Oscar Robertson
8.7 Allen Iverson
8.6 Andre Miller
8.5 Devin Harris
6.7 Jason Kidd
4.8 Antonio Daniels
3.8 Norm Nixon
3.7 Guy Rodgers
3.4 K.C. Jones
3.4 Al Attles
3.3 Tom Thacker
3.2 Charlie Ward
3.2 Lenny Wilkens
2.2 Kevin Johnson
2.1 Otis Birdsong
2.1 Shaun Livingston
1.4 Howard Eisley
1.3 Khalid Reeves
1.1 Brooks Thompson
1.0 Marcus Taylor
.8 Hal Greer
.4 Chauncey Billups
.4 Sihugo Green
.2 Jim King
.1 Winston Garland
.0 Sam Cassell
-.1 Don Kojis
-.1 Don Nelson

shooting guard

15.8 Stephen Jackson
10.8 Kenny Smith
9.3 Jimmy Butler
9.2 Andre Iguodala
8.2 Sam Jones
8.1 Richard Hamilton
7.2 Grant Hill
6.3 Paul George
6.2 Willie Naulls
6.0 Eddie Jones
5.5 Rick Barry
5.5 Bob Cousy
4.5 Manu Ginobili
3.8 Kobe Bryant
3.7 Jerry West
3.5 Bernard King
2.6 Terry Dischinger
2.5 Walt Hazzard
2.3 Adrian Smith
1.7 Greg Minor
1.6 Bob Wiesenhahn
1.1 Jimmer Fredette
1.0 Paul Arizin
.8 Scottie Pippen
.7 Drew Barry
.7 Kemba Walker
.6 Isaiah Thomas
.3 Carlos Rogers
.3 Peja Stojakovic
.2 Andre Emmett
.1 T.R. Dunn
.0 Cedric Maxwell

small forward

16.0 Tracy McGrady
11.3 Ron Artest
9.8 Kawhi Leonard
8.9 Cazzie Russell
7.6 Dennis Hopson
7.3 Ron Mercer
6.8 Donyell Marshall
6.4 Elgin Baylor
6.4 Rick Fox
6.2 Marques Johnson
5.8 Josh Smith
4.9 Andrei Kirilenko
4.9 Luol Deng
4.7 Wesley Johnson
4.4 Stacey Augmon
4.2 Ray Allen
4.2 Klay Thompson
3.6 Jerry Sloan
3.3 Shawn Marion
3.3 Glenn Robinson
3.3 John Havlicek
3.2 Jalen Rose
3.1 Lamond Murray
1.9 Satch Sanders
1.6 Dave DeBusschere
1.5 Maurice Stokes
.7 Bo Ellis
.6 Antonio Lang
.4 Ernie Grunfeld
.3 Greg Ballard
.0 Aaron McKie

power forward

15.5 Tim Duncan
13.9 Zach Randolph
13.4 Dwight Howard
12.8 Shawn Kemp
12.1 Olden Polynice
10.7 Elton Brand
9.0 Marcus Camby
8.8 Rodney Rogers
8.2 Tobias Harris
7.5 Shareef Abdur-Rahim
7.3 Tony Battie
6.7 Dino Radja
5.6 Chris Webber
5.6 Bob Pettit
4.7 Juwan Howard
4.0 Billy Cunningham
4.0 Clyde Lovellette
3.9 Dickey Simpkins
3.1 Antoine Walker
3.0 Clifford Rozier
3.0 Tree Rollins
2.2 Brian Grant
2.0 Tom Meschery
1.6 Pau Gasol
1.4 Robert Swift
1.2 Cliff Robinson
1.2 Erick Dampier
1.1 Emeka Okafor
.7 Ousmane Cisse
.6 Paul Silas
.2 Len Chappell
.2 Wayne Embry
.1 Dontonio Wingfield
.1 Jack Sikma
.0 Chris Dudley

center

16.9 Bill Russell
16.8 David Robinson
15.5 Wilt Chamberlain
15.2 Jonas Valanciunas
11.8 Willis Reed
11.5 DeMarcus Cousins
11.1 Greg Monroe
10.2 Enes Kanter
9.8 Jermaine O'Neal
9.5 Jerry Lucas
7.6 Adonal Foyle
7.4 Rafael Araujo
7.1 Horace Grant
7.0 Vlade Divac
6.0 Nikola Vucevic
5.9 Nate Thurmond
5.7 Armen Gilliam
4.6 Zelmo Beaty
4.3 Shawnelle Scott
4.3 Vitaly Potapenko
4.2 Darrall Imhoff
4.1 Jim McIlvane
3.7 Walt Bellamy
2.9 Yinka Dare
2.2 Zydrunas Ilgauskas
2.1 Chris Andersen
1.3 Kent Benson
1.2 Bill McGill
.8 Eric Montross
.4 Ralph Drollinger
.4 Al Jefferson
.0 Pero Antic

[jhb]

Win Shares do a really terrible job capturing a guy like Kawhi’s impact

[Deleted]

Sept 23, 2019 13:24:29 GMT jhb said:

Win Shares do a really terrible job capturing a guy like Kawhi’s impact

thats why successful teams use gpp36

[eric]

Sept 23, 2019 13:24:29 GMT jhb said:

Win Shares do a really terrible job capturing a guy like Kawhi’s impact

i swapped Kawhi Leonard for Stephen Jackson and re simmed the season and his team ended up in exactly the same place

makes you wonder

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Ron Artest was also robbed. Due to his anger, please change his name to Metta World Peace.