Andre Iguodala Hall of Fame Case (145 views)

[eric]

PRO Finals MVP - 19 of the 20 winners eligible to be are in the Hall of Fame

PRO two All-Defensive Teams and three rings

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CON the two and three thing isn't as good as it sounds: players who can exceed both include HOFers Shaq, Rodman, Havlicek, Pippen, Kareem, Kobe, and Duncan, but also non HOFers like Horace Grant, Bruce Bowen, Michael Cooper.

CON zero All-NBA Teams - all seven of the HOF have at least seven besides Rodman who has two; the three non-HOF have zero)

CON one All-Star - bizarrely all seven of the HOF also have at least seven of these besides Rodman who also has exactly two; Horace has one and the other two have zero)

CON has never received a vote for MVP, not even a fifth-placer - Shaq Kareem and Duncan all won MVPs plus Kobe stole one, Rodman only got more than one vote in 1992 when he finished #10, Havlicek peaked with a #4 finish in 1972, Scottie a #3 in 1994; Cooper received one vote twice, Bowen and Grant zero ever

CON statistically modest resumé - regular season .125 WS/48, even worse .115 in the playoffs

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He's Horace Grant, let's just get that out of the way now - arguably the third-best player for part of a dynasty who (deservedly) never got many regular season accolades.

If we want to make a case for him, the best case is clearly Dennis Rodman. At that point I think there are two reasonable questions:

Is a Finals MVP worth more than two Defensive Player of the Year awards? (Yes.)
Is it also worth being two championships, two All-NBA teams, and six All-Defensive teams behind? (No.)
Is it furthermore worth not being by far the most prolific rebounder since Wilt Chamberlain? (Still no.)

Andre Iguodala Is Not a Hall of Famer

[TimPig]

Didn’t know it was a question.

[👨🏼‍⚕️delapandemic🚑]

I use the Shawn Marion metric.

Are you better than Shawn Marion? Then you get in.

Are you worse than Shawn Marion? Then you don't.

Are you Shawn Marion? Let's flip a coin, my guy.

(I think Andre is slightly better than Marion so he's in)

[skrouse]

Loved him in Philly, thought he was one of the leagues best at the time, just before he left.

[eric]

Noticed today that Iguodala has never had a season with 10+ Win Shares. How does that stack up with HOF players?

Of the 199 people to be inducted as a player, 127 played at least one season in the NBA, and of those 91 or 72% had at least one season of at least ten Win Shares.

Of those 36 who didn't, 27 had their highest WS year before the ABA-NBA merger, leaving nine potential Iguodala comps:

1977 George McGinnis was an MVP and champion in the ABA who aged terribly (and had three 10+ ABA years)
1978 Louie Dampier was another massive ABA star turned into a pumpkin even faster (and had one 10+ ABA year)
1981 Dennis Johnson was a great defender, three time champion, and Finals MVP, but he also had two All-NBA teams and five All-Stars so the comp has limits
1985 Ralph Sampson was an enormous college star whose leg fell off in the NBA
1991 Joe Dumars is Dennis Johnson with a couple phones

And then we have four Euros who for various reasons only played part of their careers in the NBA: Sarunas Marciulionis, Drazen Petrovic, Vlade Divac, and Arvydas Sabonis. None of them are even close to good comps.

Andre Iguodala Is Still Not a Hall of Famer