|
|
Post by Majic on Jan 21, 2019 20:11:15 GMT
So a discussion was had in shout regarding the unweighted lotto.
Since we will now only have 4 non-playoff teams I would actually argue that we keep the unweighted lotto. The harm of "falling" really is negated as you will pick at #4 worst case.
Thoughts?
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
Joined: January 1970
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 20:11:42 GMT
i am bk and i am dumb
|
|
|
|
Post by eric on Jan 21, 2019 20:25:12 GMT
half the league rounded up makes the lotto
for a 29 team league this was 15
for a 12 team league this is 6
when we switch to weighted lotto i will project the curve we're used to onto however many teams are in the lotto
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
Joined: January 1970
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 21:15:36 GMT
lets do wheel
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
Joined: January 1970
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 22:48:37 GMT
half the league rounded up makes the lotto for a 29 team league this was 15 for a 12 team league this is 6 when we switch to weighted lotto i will project the curve we're used to onto however many teams are in the lotto Could we put this system to a vote versus non playoff unweighted lotto? I don’t personally have an issue with the 8th seed getting pick 5 guaranteed |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Jan 22, 2019 0:33:27 GMT
half the league rounded up makes the lotto for a 29 team league this was 15 for a 12 team league this is 6 when we switch to weighted lotto i will project the curve we're used to onto however many teams are in the lotto Could we put this system to a vote versus non playoff unweighted lotto? I don’t personally have an issue with the 8th seed getting pick 5 guaranteed weighted lotto maxes out at 25% chance at the #1 pick and as we've seen presents an insurmountable tanking incentive an unweighted lotto with four participants gives 25% chance each hence, we will not have any lotto with four participants |
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
Joined: January 1970
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 2:25:49 GMT
Could we put this system to a vote versus non playoff unweighted lotto? I don’t personally have an issue with the 8th seed getting pick 5 guaranteed weighted lotto maxes out at 25% chance at the #1 pick and as we've seen presents an insurmountable tanking incentive an unweighted lotto with four participants gives 25% chance each hence, we will not have any lotto with four participants if your reason to not have an unweighted lotto with 4 participants is because it would encourage tanking then why the fuck is the insisted upon method a 6 person weighted lotto? That would encourage someone to be the worst team to get a 25% chance at a pick, which would encourage extreme tanking, and a COMPETITION among tankers to get the worst pick. A race to the bottom. surely you see this. So what does this mean? well, it means two things. It means if we have a 4 person UNWEIGHTED lotto, there will be some form of tanking for the 9th-12th seed to get that 25% chance. However, it also means if there is a 6 person WEIGHTED lotto, there will be some form of tanking for the 12th seed. A more competitive tanking, which brings up the UNDESIRABLE parts of tanking, which is the fact that people must make their team incredibly bad to receive 25% odds. Therefore, if both version create tanking, what do you do? Well, you go with the version that produces the least extreme form of tanking. This is the non-playoff 4 team unweighted lottery. Why does this version produce the least extreme form of tanking? Because there is no longer any incentive to be the worst team in the league. Rewarding, as the unweighted lotto did in 5.0 thus far, GMs who build successful (or nearly successful) teams, and then get some lotto luck. It's just more valuable to win 1.1 when you're the 9th seed than it is the 12th seed. While bottoming out your roster would make it more difficult to use your lucky 1.1 wins in time to produce a competitive team. So, I guess I'd just say, what makes you think that a 6 person weighted lotto would produce less (numerically, or extremely) tanking than the proposed system? |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Jan 22, 2019 15:25:38 GMT
comparing to 5.0 thus far is inapt because four of twelve scales to only ten teams participating in a twenty nine team league, and it took you blatantly tanking half the year to just barely get there last season. our previous system worked because a team could be 15/29 = 52% (slightly above average) and still win the lotto. by the same token a 6/12 = 50% unweighted lotto will work too.
i don't insist on a weighted lotto, everyone else does because we're going to have GMs beating down the door to get in once we switch to it. i agree that it is an objectively worse system, but that was never the issue. if people now agree that it is worse and are happy sticking with unweighted, i'm definitely all for that.
|
|
|
|
Post by skrouse on Jan 22, 2019 15:27:19 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by TimPig on Jan 22, 2019 15:30:30 GMT
I feel like I wouldn’t hate the wheel anymore...
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
Joined: January 1970
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 15:43:05 GMT
I feel like I wouldn’t hate the wheel anymore. bad parts of the wheel get less bad with less teams same is true of unweighted lotto tho |
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
Joined: January 1970
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 15:44:43 GMT
comparing to 5.0 thus far is inapt because four of twelve scales to only ten teams participating in a twenty nine team league, and it took you blatantly tanking half the year to just barely get there last season. our previous system worked because a team could be 15/29 = 52% (slightly above average) and still win the lotto. by the same token a 6/12 = 50% unweighted lotto will work too. i don't insist on a weighted lotto, everyone else does because we're going to have GMs beating down the door to get in once we switch to it. i agree that it is an objectively worse system, but that was never the issue. if people now agree that it is worse and are happy sticking with unweighted, i'm definitely all for that. Sure, but I think people who support the unweighted lotto referenced above by majic and myself would not support it if we knew you were doing a lotto that included the 6th seed. Frankly I don't support playoff teams being in the lotto at all. Give the 8th seed the guaranteed 5th pick. Do we really need to make 5000 polls to cover every single nuance eric wants to barf up that makes no sense? |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Jan 22, 2019 16:11:19 GMT
we're definitely doing unweighted lotto with six teams (or whatever league/2 is) until 2017 because that's the system we were working with when those trades were made. if that doesn't make sense to you, there's nothing i can do about that.
if people are interested in doing something besides the scheduled weighted lotto with six teams for 2017, we can discuss that.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
Joined: January 1970
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 16:13:45 GMT
we're definitely doing unweighted lotto with six teams (or whatever league/2 is) until 2017 because that's the system we were working with when those trades were made. if that doesn't make sense to you, there's nothing i can do about that. if people are interested in doing something besides the scheduled weighted lotto with six teams for 2017, we can discuss that. where was it specified that the lotto includes 50% of teams in the league |
|
