Post by TimPig on Jan 4, 2019 19:06:07 GMT
h/t eric
Class Totals:
2007: +20
2008: +34
2009: +22
2010: +13
2011: +32
TC MVPs:
2007: Clyde Drexler +4
2008: Terrell Brandon +5
2009: Earl Monroe, Jo Jo White, Butch Beard, Louie Dampier +3
2010: Samuel Dalembert +5
2011: Shawn Kemp +5
1. Denver Nuggets (from Raptors) - Shawn Kemp PF 6'10'' 280 19
A- D+ D+ C+ C+ A
A D+ C- B B- A
+1 inside, +1 handling, +2 defense, +1 rebounding
+5 overall
Mike! The long national nightmare in Denver is over (maybe)! And it looks like we may have finally had the right guy taken at 1.1 and he might not be a total bust. Kemp’s inside should be one of the best in the league based on his write-up, and his semi-lacking D/R skills both get a fix in his first TC. Mike should be thrilled.
2. Portland Trailblazers - Glen Rice SF 6'8'' 230 22
B B- C C C C
B- C+ C C C C
-1 inside, -1 outside
-2 overall
Eric must really have it out for Majic, forcing his 1.2 pick to go MINUS-2 in his scoring grades, which is really all Rice had going for him when he was taken. C’mon, commish. Go easy on the guy.
3. Golden State Warriors - Cliff Robinson PF 6'10'' 225 21
B+ D+ C- B C+ A
B+ D+ C- B+ C+ B
+1 defense
+1 overall
Not mad, but was hoping for a bump in the rebounding department. Profile tells me this guy should be a pretty awesome inside scorer/blealer.
Pig Bomb: the Warriors offered Cliff Robinson, Ricardo Strong, a future first, Kenny Gattison, and Eddy Curry for Rui Hachimura. Fecta was interested “until he saw Cliff’s profile”. After eric announced on the pod that he thought Cliff was a good candidate for 1.1, Fecta said he’d accept the trade, at which point it was too late because of the Warriors’ cap situation.
4. Washington Bullets - George McCloud SF 6'6'' 200 22
C+ A- C- C C B
C+ A- C C C A
Even
McCloud wasn’t a guy I had near the top of my “big board”, but I overlooked him because I saw a lot of C-somethings in his gradeset and the Warriors weren’t in need of wings. I can see why Kn was interested as his scoring grades actually look really nice, but the lack of improvement in his initial TC is worrisome.
5. Houston Rockets - Randy White PF 6'8'' 245 21
B+ C- C- C+ B+ B
B+ C- C- C+ B+ A
Even
Pete isn’t going to read this so I won’t go too in depth. I wanted White at 1.3 for the Warriors but went with Cliff instead because his defense grade was higher and I figured rebounding was more likely to improve than defense.
6. Carolina Cougars - JR Reid PF 6'9'' 255 21
B- C- C- C+ B+ B
B- C- C C+ A- B
+1 handling, +1 rebounding
+2 overall
Not a bad TC but I would’ve preferred some scoring growth. At 1.6 I want a big who can score, and the B- inside grade is no guarantee so I am worried about Reid’s potential.
7. Detroit Pistons (from Spurs) - Dino Radja PF 6'11'' 255 22
B+ C- C- C+ C+ C
B+ C- C C+ C+ D
Even
Good inside, pretty meh everything else. This guy isn’t the Pistons’ savior.
8. Sacramento Kings - Tim Hardaway PG 6'0'' 175 22
C+ C+ B B- D- C
C+ C+ B- B D- C
-1 handling, +1 defense
Even
I really expected Hardaway to have better starting grades after he graced the cover of NBA Live 98, but when I saw them he was removed from my lottery big board. Doesn’t look like he’ll ever be a great scorer and is allergic to rebounding. The defense bump might mean he gets some steals? Maybe?
9. Miami Heat - Vlade Divac C 7'1'' 260 21
B C- C- B C+ B
B C C- A- C+ B
+1 outside, +2 defense
+3 overall
Hey not bad. Plus-2 defense to start is massive. Vlade probably should’ve been picked a lot higher than 1.9. I wish it was 2021 so I could make a 2020 joke LMBO RITE IAN?!?!?!!
10. Seattle SuperSonics - Mookie Blaylock PG 6'1'' 190 21
C B B- A- D A
C B+ B+ A- D A
+1 outside, +2 handling
+3 overall
Mookie needed some scoring help and he got it. With no more handling requirements for point guards, the +2 handling could mean a lot of things.
11. Boston Celtics - Danny Ferry PF 6'10'' 230 22
C+ B- B+ C C B
B- B B C C C
+1 inside, +1 outside, -1 handling
+1 overall
Interesting. The guy eric specifically called out as a meh player in Shout goes +2 in scoring grades and sees his handling grade drop. Maybe Ferry isn’t a lost cause after all.
12. Phoenix Suns - Sean Elliott SF 6'8'' 210 21
C+ B+ C C C A
C+ A- C- C C B
+1 outside, -1 handling
Even
Should have some of the best potential in the class based on profile. +25 inside and Elliott could be a powerhouse scorer and has the SG eligibility that Qyntel Woods does not.
13. Detroit Pistons - Stacey King PF 6'11'' 270 23
B C D+ C B+ C
B C D+ C+ B+ B
+1 defense
+1 overall
14. Cleveland Cavaliers - Tom Hammonds C 6'9'' 220 22
B C- C C+ C C
B+ C- C C+ C C
+1 inside
+1 overall
15. Sacramento Kings (from Magic) - Dana Barros PG 5'11'' 160 22
C B C C D A
C B+ C+ C+ D A
+1 outside, +1 handling, +1 defense
+3 overall
Nice TC for Barros and he might actually have some potential. BK will manage to screw it up somehow.
16. Dallas Mavericks (from Knicks) - Pooh Richardson PG 6'1'' 180 23
B- C B C D+ B
B- C B+ C+ D+ C
+1 handling, +1 defense
+2 overall
17. Sacramento Kings (from Nuggets) - Michael Smith PF 6'10'' 225 24
B C C C C+ C
B C- C- C+ B- B
-1 outside, -1 handling, +1 defense, +1 rebounding
Even
18. Denver Nuggets (from Globetrotters) - Chris Childs SG 6'3'' 195 20
C+ B C- C C- B
C+ B+ C- C C- B
+1 outside
+1 overall
19. Chicago Bulls (from Mavericks) - Pervis Ellison PF 6'9'' 210 22
B- D+ C C+ C A
B- D+ C B C A
+2 defense
+2 overall
20. Vancouver Grizzlies - Kenyon Garces PG 6'2'' 188 22
C B- B- B+ C C
C B B B+ C D
+1 outside, +1 handling
+2 overall
21. Detroit Pistons (from Bulls) - Scott Haffner SG 6'3'' 180 22
C+ B C C C- A
C B+ C C C- B
-1 inside, +1 outside
Even
22. Milwaukee Bucks - Christian Hernandez C 7'3'' 226 21
B- C- C- C+ C C
B C- C- C+ C C
+1 inside
+1 overall
23. Utah Jazz - Jeff Hodge PG 6'2'' 170 22
C B B- C D+ A
C A- B- C+ C- A
+1 outside, +1 defense, +1 rebounding
+3 overall
24. Carolina Cougars (from Timberwolves) - Nick Anderson SG 6'6'' 230 21
C+ C C- B- C- C
C+ C C- B C- C
+1 defense
+1 overall
25. Sacramento Kings (from Lakers) - Haywoode Workman PG 6'2'' 180 22
C+ C B- C C- C
C+ C B- C D+ C
-1 rebounding
-1 overall
26. Los Angeles Clippers - Blue Edwards SG 6'4'' 200 23
C+ B C C C- C
C B C C C- D
-1 inside
-1 overall
27. Indiana Pacers - Scott Santiago PG 6'3'' 185 22
D C B+ B C- A
D+ C A- B+ C B
+1 inside, +1 handling, +1 defense, +1 rebounding
+4 overall
28. Detroit Pistons (from Hawks) - Frank Kornet SF 6'9'' 225 21
C+ B- D+ C+ C C
C+ B- D+ C C C
-1 defense
-1 overall
29. Carolina Cougars (from Hornets) - Gary Leonard C 7'1'' 255 22
C+ C- C- C+ B+ B
C+ C- C- B- B+ B
+1 defense
+1 overall
Class Totals:
2007: +20
2008: +34
2009: +22
2010: +13
2011: +32
TC MVPs:
2007: Clyde Drexler +4
2008: Terrell Brandon +5
2009: Earl Monroe, Jo Jo White, Butch Beard, Louie Dampier +3
2010: Samuel Dalembert +5
2011: Shawn Kemp +5
1. Denver Nuggets (from Raptors) - Shawn Kemp PF 6'10'' 280 19
A- D+ D+ C+ C+ A
A D+ C- B B- A
+1 inside, +1 handling, +2 defense, +1 rebounding
+5 overall
Mike! The long national nightmare in Denver is over (maybe)! And it looks like we may have finally had the right guy taken at 1.1 and he might not be a total bust. Kemp’s inside should be one of the best in the league based on his write-up, and his semi-lacking D/R skills both get a fix in his first TC. Mike should be thrilled.
2. Portland Trailblazers - Glen Rice SF 6'8'' 230 22
B B- C C C C
B- C+ C C C C
-1 inside, -1 outside
-2 overall
Eric must really have it out for Majic, forcing his 1.2 pick to go MINUS-2 in his scoring grades, which is really all Rice had going for him when he was taken. C’mon, commish. Go easy on the guy.
3. Golden State Warriors - Cliff Robinson PF 6'10'' 225 21
B+ D+ C- B C+ A
B+ D+ C- B+ C+ B
+1 defense
+1 overall
Not mad, but was hoping for a bump in the rebounding department. Profile tells me this guy should be a pretty awesome inside scorer/blealer.
Pig Bomb: the Warriors offered Cliff Robinson, Ricardo Strong, a future first, Kenny Gattison, and Eddy Curry for Rui Hachimura. Fecta was interested “until he saw Cliff’s profile”. After eric announced on the pod that he thought Cliff was a good candidate for 1.1, Fecta said he’d accept the trade, at which point it was too late because of the Warriors’ cap situation.
4. Washington Bullets - George McCloud SF 6'6'' 200 22
C+ A- C- C C B
C+ A- C C C A
Even
McCloud wasn’t a guy I had near the top of my “big board”, but I overlooked him because I saw a lot of C-somethings in his gradeset and the Warriors weren’t in need of wings. I can see why Kn was interested as his scoring grades actually look really nice, but the lack of improvement in his initial TC is worrisome.
5. Houston Rockets - Randy White PF 6'8'' 245 21
B+ C- C- C+ B+ B
B+ C- C- C+ B+ A
Even
Pete isn’t going to read this so I won’t go too in depth. I wanted White at 1.3 for the Warriors but went with Cliff instead because his defense grade was higher and I figured rebounding was more likely to improve than defense.
6. Carolina Cougars - JR Reid PF 6'9'' 255 21
B- C- C- C+ B+ B
B- C- C C+ A- B
+1 handling, +1 rebounding
+2 overall
Not a bad TC but I would’ve preferred some scoring growth. At 1.6 I want a big who can score, and the B- inside grade is no guarantee so I am worried about Reid’s potential.
7. Detroit Pistons (from Spurs) - Dino Radja PF 6'11'' 255 22
B+ C- C- C+ C+ C
B+ C- C C+ C+ D
Even
Good inside, pretty meh everything else. This guy isn’t the Pistons’ savior.
8. Sacramento Kings - Tim Hardaway PG 6'0'' 175 22
C+ C+ B B- D- C
C+ C+ B- B D- C
-1 handling, +1 defense
Even
I really expected Hardaway to have better starting grades after he graced the cover of NBA Live 98, but when I saw them he was removed from my lottery big board. Doesn’t look like he’ll ever be a great scorer and is allergic to rebounding. The defense bump might mean he gets some steals? Maybe?
9. Miami Heat - Vlade Divac C 7'1'' 260 21
B C- C- B C+ B
B C C- A- C+ B
+1 outside, +2 defense
+3 overall
Hey not bad. Plus-2 defense to start is massive. Vlade probably should’ve been picked a lot higher than 1.9. I wish it was 2021 so I could make a 2020 joke LMBO RITE IAN?!?!?!!
10. Seattle SuperSonics - Mookie Blaylock PG 6'1'' 190 21
C B B- A- D A
C B+ B+ A- D A
+1 outside, +2 handling
+3 overall
Mookie needed some scoring help and he got it. With no more handling requirements for point guards, the +2 handling could mean a lot of things.
11. Boston Celtics - Danny Ferry PF 6'10'' 230 22
C+ B- B+ C C B
B- B B C C C
+1 inside, +1 outside, -1 handling
+1 overall
Interesting. The guy eric specifically called out as a meh player in Shout goes +2 in scoring grades and sees his handling grade drop. Maybe Ferry isn’t a lost cause after all.
12. Phoenix Suns - Sean Elliott SF 6'8'' 210 21
C+ B+ C C C A
C+ A- C- C C B
+1 outside, -1 handling
Even
Should have some of the best potential in the class based on profile. +25 inside and Elliott could be a powerhouse scorer and has the SG eligibility that Qyntel Woods does not.
13. Detroit Pistons - Stacey King PF 6'11'' 270 23
B C D+ C B+ C
B C D+ C+ B+ B
+1 defense
+1 overall
14. Cleveland Cavaliers - Tom Hammonds C 6'9'' 220 22
B C- C C+ C C
B+ C- C C+ C C
+1 inside
+1 overall
15. Sacramento Kings (from Magic) - Dana Barros PG 5'11'' 160 22
C B C C D A
C B+ C+ C+ D A
+1 outside, +1 handling, +1 defense
+3 overall
Nice TC for Barros and he might actually have some potential. BK will manage to screw it up somehow.
16. Dallas Mavericks (from Knicks) - Pooh Richardson PG 6'1'' 180 23
B- C B C D+ B
B- C B+ C+ D+ C
+1 handling, +1 defense
+2 overall
17. Sacramento Kings (from Nuggets) - Michael Smith PF 6'10'' 225 24
B C C C C+ C
B C- C- C+ B- B
-1 outside, -1 handling, +1 defense, +1 rebounding
Even
18. Denver Nuggets (from Globetrotters) - Chris Childs SG 6'3'' 195 20
C+ B C- C C- B
C+ B+ C- C C- B
+1 outside
+1 overall
19. Chicago Bulls (from Mavericks) - Pervis Ellison PF 6'9'' 210 22
B- D+ C C+ C A
B- D+ C B C A
+2 defense
+2 overall
20. Vancouver Grizzlies - Kenyon Garces PG 6'2'' 188 22
C B- B- B+ C C
C B B B+ C D
+1 outside, +1 handling
+2 overall
21. Detroit Pistons (from Bulls) - Scott Haffner SG 6'3'' 180 22
C+ B C C C- A
C B+ C C C- B
-1 inside, +1 outside
Even
22. Milwaukee Bucks - Christian Hernandez C 7'3'' 226 21
B- C- C- C+ C C
B C- C- C+ C C
+1 inside
+1 overall
23. Utah Jazz - Jeff Hodge PG 6'2'' 170 22
C B B- C D+ A
C A- B- C+ C- A
+1 outside, +1 defense, +1 rebounding
+3 overall
24. Carolina Cougars (from Timberwolves) - Nick Anderson SG 6'6'' 230 21
C+ C C- B- C- C
C+ C C- B C- C
+1 defense
+1 overall
25. Sacramento Kings (from Lakers) - Haywoode Workman PG 6'2'' 180 22
C+ C B- C C- C
C+ C B- C D+ C
-1 rebounding
-1 overall
26. Los Angeles Clippers - Blue Edwards SG 6'4'' 200 23
C+ B C C C- C
C B C C C- D
-1 inside
-1 overall
27. Indiana Pacers - Scott Santiago PG 6'3'' 185 22
D C B+ B C- A
D+ C A- B+ C B
+1 inside, +1 handling, +1 defense, +1 rebounding
+4 overall
28. Detroit Pistons (from Hawks) - Frank Kornet SF 6'9'' 225 21
C+ B- D+ C+ C C
C+ B- D+ C C C
-1 defense
-1 overall
29. Carolina Cougars (from Hornets) - Gary Leonard C 7'1'' 255 22
C+ C- C- C+ B+ B
C+ C- C- B- B+ B
+1 defense
+1 overall
