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Post by ahebrewtoo on Oct 16, 2018 16:56:16 GMT
Proposing a new way to spend dump bucks: the Brady Restructuring.
Description: A player that (i) is over 33, (ii) has a greed less than 30 or loyalty over 80, and (iii) is currently under contract on a team that was in the playoffs the prior year may spread the money owed over the remaining contract over an additional period.
Cost: 10k dump bucks to add 1 year. 25k dump bucks to add 2 years.
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 16:59:35 GMT
im not against things of this nature in theory
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Post by eric on Oct 16, 2018 17:09:01 GMT
i feel like this is too much of an advantage for good teams retaining star players
if i have for example a player coming off the first max at $21m, i need to pay a huge amount for a long time to keep them
under the proposal, i could instead get them for another two years at $7m a pop and still have a great chance at retaining them because i would necessarily have birds, so regardless of my cap i could start them at the same $17.5m as everyone with $17.5m in cap, which is not many
i would like it better if these were flat extensions, so you could pay $10k to get another year of the guy at $21m, but i still wouldn't like it that much.
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Oct 16, 2018 17:22:42 GMT
i feel like this is too much of an advantage for good teams retaining star players if i have for example a player coming off the first max at $21m, i need to pay a huge amount for a long time to keep them under the proposal, i could instead get them for another two years at $7m a pop and still have a great chance at retaining them because i would necessarily have birds, so regardless of my cap i could start them at the same $17.5m as everyone with $17.5m in cap, which is not many i would like it better if these were flat extensions, so you could pay $10k to get another year of the guy at $21m, but i still wouldn't like it that much. I don't think you'd have a 34+ year old player coming off of a first max, but even if you did it is still within the narrative of the selfless veteran. I think we could tinker with it to say that each year has to be at least 70 percent of the current year's contract. So the player making 21m would make 14.7m for three years. That would fix your objection. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 17:36:02 GMT
Name: The Taurasi Restructuring
Applies to: players that (i) 33 or older, (ii) have 30 or less greed and 70 or more loyalty (iii) are currently under contract for 2-4 years
Description: You may extend this player for 2-3 additional years. Contract would start at 20% of previous total money owed +5,000,000 for each year left on the deal and would decrease by 10% each season (-10% defined as previous year salary x 0.9)
Cost: 30k to add 2 years, 40k to add 3 years
Name: David West Exception
Applies to: Players who (i) Are 33 or older, (ii) have 30 or less greed and 70 or more play for winner, (iii) are free agents who were not resigned
Description: You may offer an MLE to a player who made less than 8,000,000 the previous season OR LLE to a player who made less than 4,500,000 the previous season. These are made along with your Day 1 FA offers and sign before Day 1 is processed. If multiple people bid on the same player the tiebreaker that will be used is: 1. Win Rating, 2. Playoff wins previous season, 3. Most Recent Title
Cost: 15k for MLE, 10k for LLE (you only pay if they sign)
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Post by IanBoyd on Oct 16, 2018 17:36:45 GMT
not a big fan of this, too much cap relief for playoff teams and keeps the eligible star players out of FA.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 17:41:14 GMT
Ive already approved tims idea so discussion isnt necessary
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Post by eric on Oct 16, 2018 17:51:05 GMT
Name: The Taurasi Restructuring Applies to: players that (i) 33 or older, (ii) have 30 or less greed and 70 or more loyalty (iii) are currently under contract for 2-4 years Description: You may extend this player for 2-3 additional years. Contract would start at 20% of previous total money owed +5,000,000 for each year left on the deal and would decrease by 10% each season (-10% defined as previous year salary x 0.9) Cost: 30k to add 2 years, 40k to add 3 years Name: David West Exception Applies to: Players who (i) Are 33 or older, (ii) have 30 or less greed and 70 or more play for winner, (iii) are free agents who were not resigned Description: You may offer an MLE to a player who made less than 8,000,000 the previous season OR LLE to a player who made less than 4,500,000 the previous season. These are made along with your Day 1 FA offers and sign before Day 1 is processed. If multiple people bid on the same player the tiebreaker that will be used is: 1. Win Rating, 2. Playoff wins previous season, 3. Most Recent Title Cost: 15k for MLE, 10k for LLE (you only pay if they sign) just making sure i'm following the math 369 Daniel Taurasi SG 33 $20,625,000 $22,500,000 $24,375,000 $26,250,000 $0 $0 $0 $93,750,000 becomes 369 Daniel Taurasi SG 33 $20,625,000 $22,500,000 $24,375,000 $26,250,000 $38,750,000 $34,875,000 $31,387,500 $93,750,000 . or to take another case 408 Elvis Delle Donne SF 32 $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $63,000,000 becomes 408 Elvis Delle Donne SF 32 $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $27,600,000 $24,840,000 $22,356,000 $0 $63,000,000 . correct? |
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Oct 16, 2018 17:54:22 GMT
Name: The Taurasi Restructuring Applies to: players that (i) 33 or older, (ii) have 30 or less greed and 70 or more loyalty (iii) are currently under contract for 2-4 years Description: You may extend this player for 2-3 additional years. Contract would start at 20% of previous total money owed +5,000,000 for each year left on the deal and would decrease by 10% each season (-10% defined as previous year salary x 0.9) Cost: 30k to add 2 years, 40k to add 3 years Name: David West Exception Applies to: Players who (i) Are 33 or older, (ii) have 30 or less greed and 70 or more play for winner, (iii) are free agents who were not resigned Description: You may offer an MLE to a player who made less than 8,000,000 the previous season OR LLE to a player who made less than 4,500,000 the previous season. These are made along with your Day 1 FA offers and sign before Day 1 is processed. If multiple people bid on the same player the tiebreaker that will be used is: 1. Win Rating, 2. Playoff wins previous season, 3. Most Recent Title Cost: 15k for MLE, 10k for LLE (you only pay if they sign) I like that. Just to clarify how the +5m works - I think you mean you add it to the total remaining owed salary and not to the base salary after you've taken 20 percent of the remaining owed salary. As an example, if it were the latter Taurasi's contract would balloon to 29,625,000 when he becomes eligible if I were to use it. Showing my work - Next year he'll have 3 years left and his remaining owed salary will be 73,125,000. 20 percent of 73,150,000 is 14,625,000. Add in 15m (3 years remaining x 5m) and the starting contract is 29,625,000. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 17:55:41 GMT
Name: The Taurasi Restructuring Applies to: players that (i) 33 or older, (ii) have 30 or less greed and 70 or more loyalty (iii) are currently under contract for 2-4 years Description: You may extend this player for 2-3 additional years. Contract would start at 20% of previous total money owed +5,000,000 for each year left on the deal and would decrease by 10% each season (-10% defined as previous year salary x 0.9) Cost: 30k to add 2 years, 40k to add 3 years Name: David West Exception Applies to: Players who (i) Are 33 or older, (ii) have 30 or less greed and 70 or more play for winner, (iii) are free agents who were not resigned Description: You may offer an MLE to a player who made less than 8,000,000 the previous season OR LLE to a player who made less than 4,500,000 the previous season. These are made along with your Day 1 FA offers and sign before Day 1 is processed. If multiple people bid on the same player the tiebreaker that will be used is: 1. Win Rating, 2. Playoff wins previous season, 3. Most Recent Title Cost: 15k for MLE, 10k for LLE (you only pay if they sign) just making sure i'm following the math 369 Daniel Taurasi SG 33 $20,625,000 $22,500,000 $24,375,000 $26,250,000 $0 $0 $0 $93,750,000 becomes 369 Daniel Taurasi SG 33 $20,625,000 $22,500,000 $24,375,000 $26,250,000 $38,750,000 $34,875,000 $31,387,500 $93,750,000 . or to take another case 408 Elvis Delle Donne SF 32 $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $63,000,000 becomes 408 Elvis Delle Donne SF 32 $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $27,600,000 $24,840,000 $22,356,000 $0 $63,000,000 . correct? $20,625,000 $22,500,000 $24,375,000 $26,250,000 becomes $22,750,000 $20,475,000 $18,427,500 $16,584,750 $14,926,275 $13,433,648 $12,090,283 |
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Oct 16, 2018 17:55:44 GMT
Name: The Taurasi Restructuring Applies to: players that (i) 33 or older, (ii) have 30 or less greed and 70 or more loyalty (iii) are currently under contract for 2-4 years Description: You may extend this player for 2-3 additional years. Contract would start at 20% of previous total money owed +5,000,000 for each year left on the deal and would decrease by 10% each season (-10% defined as previous year salary x 0.9) Cost: 30k to add 2 years, 40k to add 3 years Name: David West Exception Applies to: Players who (i) Are 33 or older, (ii) have 30 or less greed and 70 or more play for winner, (iii) are free agents who were not resigned Description: You may offer an MLE to a player who made less than 8,000,000 the previous season OR LLE to a player who made less than 4,500,000 the previous season. These are made along with your Day 1 FA offers and sign before Day 1 is processed. If multiple people bid on the same player the tiebreaker that will be used is: 1. Win Rating, 2. Playoff wins previous season, 3. Most Recent Title Cost: 15k for MLE, 10k for LLE (you only pay if they sign) just making sure i'm following the math 369 Daniel Taurasi SG 33 $20,625,000 $22,500,000 $24,375,000 $26,250,000 $0 $0 $0 $93,750,000 becomes 369 Daniel Taurasi SG 33 $20,625,000 $22,500,000 $24,375,000 $26,250,000 $38,750,000 $34,875,000 $31,387,500 $93,750,000 . or to take another case 408 Elvis Delle Donne SF 32 $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $63,000,000 becomes 408 Elvis Delle Donne SF 32 $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $27,600,000 $24,840,000 $22,356,000 $0 $63,000,000 . correct? Ok ClydeR. |
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Post by eric on Oct 16, 2018 18:00:33 GMT
just making sure i'm following the math 369 Daniel Taurasi SG 33 $20,625,000 $22,500,000 $24,375,000 $26,250,000 $0 $0 $0 $93,750,000 becomes 369 Daniel Taurasi SG 33 $20,625,000 $22,500,000 $24,375,000 $26,250,000 $38,750,000 $34,875,000 $31,387,500 $93,750,000 . or to take another case 408 Elvis Delle Donne SF 32 $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $63,000,000 becomes 408 Elvis Delle Donne SF 32 $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $27,600,000 $24,840,000 $22,356,000 $0 $63,000,000 . correct? $20,625,000 $22,500,000 $24,375,000 $26,250,000 becomes $22,750,000 $20,475,000 $18,427,500 $16,584,750 $14,926,275 $13,433,648 $12,090,283 are you doing +$1m per year remaining? i get 20% * $93,750,000 = $18,750,000 + 4*$5,000,000 = $38,750,000 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 18:00:52 GMT
Taurasi is owed $93,750,000 over 4 years
93,750,000 + (4x5,000,000) = 113,750,000
20% of 113,750,000 is $22,750,000
-10% each season
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Post by eric on Oct 16, 2018 18:11:50 GMT
Taurasi is owed $93,750,000 over 4 years 93,750,000 + (4x5,000,000) = 113,750,000 20% of 113,750,000 is $22,750,000 -10% each season okay that contract looks extremely gross to me in the interests of fairness i suggest we grandfather all current contracts so they can't be restructured this way |
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Post by eric on Oct 16, 2018 19:51:53 GMT
fwiw, daniel taurasi is the only player who is currently eligible for The Taurasi Restructuring and there are 0 players eligible for the David West Exception
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Post by IanBoyd on Oct 16, 2018 19:55:44 GMT
fwiw, daniel taurasi is the only player who is currently eligible for The Taurasi Restructuring and there are 0 players eligible for the David West Exception Why do you think heebs picked those specific greed/loyalty numbers? |
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Post by eric on Oct 16, 2018 19:57:10 GMT
fwiw, daniel taurasi is the only player who is currently eligible for The Taurasi Restructuring and there are 0 players eligible for the David West Exception Why do you think heebs picked those specific greed/loyalty numbers? obviously herb picked numbers that fit his player. i don't think he checked the rest of the league to make sure no other player fit them. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 20:08:08 GMT
Why do you think heebs picked those specific greed/loyalty numbers? obviously herb picked numbers that fit his player. i don't think he checked the rest of the league to make sure no other player fit them. give me a list for david west if both numbers were 50 |
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Post by eric on Oct 16, 2018 20:12:42 GMT
obviously herb picked numbers that fit his player. i don't think he checked the rest of the league to make sure no other player fit them. give me a list for david west if both numbers were 50 MLE Cracker McCallahan (offered to resign with Pacers but hasn't yet) LLE Giuseppe Longfellow Kobe Maggette |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 20:14:25 GMT
give me a list for david west if both numbers were 50 MLE Cracker McCallahan (offered to resign with Pacers but hasn't yet) LLE Giuseppe Longfellow Kobe Maggette what about with no greed, etc restriction |
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Post by eric on Oct 16, 2018 20:19:34 GMT
MLE Cracker McCallahan (offered to resign with Pacers but hasn't yet) LLE Giuseppe Longfellow Kobe Maggette what about with no greed, etc restriction only using the age and last year's contract amount: MLE Cracker McCallahan Thomas Wilder Yirmiyaho Iair LLE Dwight McGhee Faye Vincent Reagan Giuseppe Longfellow Halawi Winabi Jan Michael Vincent Jaron Willis Kobe Maggette Odin James Scootsie Doubleday |
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