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Post by Majic on Aug 20, 2018 21:23:18 GMT
Going back to 4.0 I have always thought we should have a rule where you can extend a Minimum contract.
While its not necessarily a long term strategy, a GM that can be smart and smartly utilize their minimum offers could add some value to the league.
I also think if a GM is able to find a hidden gem or useful player via a minimum contract, they should have the ability to keep that player until they have birds.
My proposal:
GM's offer minimum players just like it is now, nothing changes.
If a GM deems that a minimum contract player is worthy of an extension, they can pay a 2k pig pennies to extend the contract 2 years, with the cap hits increasing:
Year 1: Min
Year 2: 1.5 million
Year 3: 2.5 million
However, any team may only have 1 extended Minimum contract on their cap at 1 time. This would eliminate a GM from endlessly spamming minimum offers every offseason, but still reward smart GM's that can find hidden talent.
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Post by TimPig on Aug 20, 2018 21:26:25 GMT
I was made to believe there would be 15 poll options.
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Post by TimPig on Aug 20, 2018 21:28:08 GMT
You already have two totally flexible options for offering "hidden" guys in the MLE and LLE that you can not extend if they don't work out and can extend and get birds if they do.
No from me.
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Post by Majic on Aug 20, 2018 21:31:18 GMT
You already have two totally flexible options for offering "hidden" guys in the MLE and LLE that you can not extend if they don't work out and can extend and get birds if they do. No from me. I can see your point in relation to an LLE, however I think an MLE is in a completely different category. I also think this could be a nice benefit seeing as G League is no longer a thing. With G League it was smart for a GM to take 2nd rounders and see how they played, benefit being you could have that player for 3 years once extended. This could allow for some useful players to stick around the league longer, or allow for hidden gem rookies not fall through the cracks. Tony Mitchell is the perfect example, had Druce not signed him for the Spurs, a guy garnering 3 firsts would have likely been deleted from the software. This might encourage GM's to sign an extra rookie or two to a min contract to see if they are worth anything. |
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Post by TimPig on Aug 20, 2018 21:33:29 GMT
You already have two totally flexible options for offering "hidden" guys in the MLE and LLE that you can not extend if they don't work out and can extend and get birds if they do. No from me. I can see your point in relation to an LLE, however I think an MLE is in a completely different category. I also think this could be a nice benefit seeing as G League is no longer a thing. With G League it was smart for a GM to take 2nd rounders and see how they played, benefit being you could have that player for 3 years once extended. This could allow for some useful players to stick around the league longer, or allow for hidden gem rookies not fall through the cracks. Tony Mitchell is the perfect example, had Druce not signed him for the Spurs, a guy garnering 3 firsts would have likely been deleted from the software. This might encourage GM's to sign an extra rookie or two to a min contract to see if they are worth anything. I don't have a problem with guys who were hidden and went unsigned by 29 teams remaining free agents and eventually getting deleted from the software. It's not like we're short on good players. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 21:36:36 GMT
You mention this once per season and youre still the only one voting yes
Unweighted lottery has more support
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Post by TimPig on Aug 20, 2018 21:38:42 GMT
I can see your point in relation to an LLE, however I think an MLE is in a completely different category. Why? |
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Post by TimPig on Aug 20, 2018 22:08:46 GMT
BLOWOUT.  |
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Post by jhb on Aug 21, 2018 1:13:01 GMT
No
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Post by fason on Aug 21, 2018 1:14:54 GMT
Which 2 people besides Majic voted yes? Show yourselves!
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Aug 21, 2018 2:41:46 GMT
Lolno
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Post by Majic on Aug 21, 2018 16:08:49 GMT
thanks guys
really appreciate all the well thought out responses
some great dialogue in here
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Post by eric on Aug 21, 2018 16:14:45 GMT
thanks guys really appreciate all the well thought out responses some great dialogue in here  |
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Post by TimPig on Aug 21, 2018 16:26:37 GMT
thanks guys really appreciate all the well thought out responses some great dialogue in here No need to be a smartass when you haven’t replied to either of my past two comments/questions. |
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Post by Majic on Aug 21, 2018 16:40:10 GMT
thanks guys really appreciate all the well thought out responses some great dialogue in here No need to be a smartass when you haven’t replied to either of my past two comments/questions. that wasnt directed at you, but i will respond to you post |
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Post by TimPig on Aug 21, 2018 16:41:19 GMT
No need to be a smartass when you haven’t replied to either of my past two comments/questions. that wasnt directed at you, but i will respond to you post I know it wasn't, but it's possible people are wondering the same thing and don't feel the need to ask again? |
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Post by Majic on Aug 21, 2018 16:41:49 GMT
I can see your point in relation to an LLE, however I think an MLE is in a completely different category. Why? MLE = quality backup/ starter in a pinch LLE = deep depth player, dont want them playing a bunch, but can if necessary Min = roster filler with the ability to extend 1 min guy every 3 years it could turn into a useful way to find overlooked/hidden players. another team building strategy |
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Post by skrouse on Aug 21, 2018 16:45:57 GMT
I am pro being able to extend a limited # of min players
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Post by TimPig on Aug 21, 2018 16:52:10 GMT
MLE = quality backup/ starter in a pinchLLE = deep depth player, dont want them playing a bunch, but can if necessary Min = roster filler An MLE can be a quality back or starter in a pinch, sure. But a team who is relying on finding guys on the scrap heap to contribute probably isn't/shouldn't be seeking a quality backup or starter in this way. They're free to use it on a guy who they do research into and they may become good. Or they can use it to pick up someone who may become trade fodder. Giving GMs the ability to sign some 3-4 mins in the offseason and play them all significant minutes in preseason then extend one is just giving another way for people to not actually have to commit/make a tough decision. You have two means for this already, no need for another. |
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Post by Majic on Aug 21, 2018 17:01:52 GMT
MLE = quality backup/ starter in a pinchLLE = deep depth player, dont want them playing a bunch, but can if necessary Min = roster filler An MLE can be a quality back or starter in a pinch, sure. But a team who is relying on finding guys on the scrap heap to contribute probably isn't/shouldn't be seeking a quality backup or starter in this way. They're free to use it on a guy who they do research into and they may become good. Or they can use it to pick up someone who may become trade fodder. Giving GMs the ability to sign some 3-4 mins in the offseason and play them all significant minutes in preseason then extend one is just giving another way for people to not actually have to commit/make a tough decision. You have two means for this already, no need for another. smart GMs find usefull MLE guys all the time. most championship teams have an MLE playing an important role. so, your entire argument, as I can tell: you are worried about a GM signing multiple Mins once every 3 years, then playing them all significant minutes, in the hopes they can find 1 guy that might be good enough to extend? I cant see how this would drastically change the league, nor how this would be a sustainable long term team building tactic. however, this would help smart teams find and keep good talent, and allow for teams devoid of great players to utilize another avenue to find quality players. in any case, it doesnt matter, its not going to happen. but I appreciate your banter and explaining your side Tim |
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Aug 21, 2018 17:05:29 GMT
We've added (i) the ability to extend more than 1 MLE and (ii) the ability to extend LLEs in 5.0.
I see no need to add another mechanism to get birds on a cheap player. If anything, we should be talking about scaling back our LLE/MLE extensions.
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