Post by eric on Aug 5, 2018 18:59:17 GMT
Let's take a look back.
I pulled stats for everyone in the 2001 rookie draft and graded them out as if I was doing a ladder - didn't look at anything else but the stats I look at doing the ladder. There are 26 survivors from that class that have played at least 1000 minutes, so after I laddered them I also included their rank in WS/48 of that group and peppered it with quotes I pulled from the original ladder. Just so our expectations can be in the right range, there were only 6 players who beat .100 WS/48 (league average).
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1. Mark Alarie PF - WS/48 #1
B+ C+ F+ C B- C to B+ C+ F C B- C (-1)
As if there was a doubt. Spent a couple years holding a clipboard for Mikan and Yommy (no relation), then showed no rust with a sublime 53/94 season. "You'd like to see more rebounds, but those should come" WRONG! WRONG! but he's still got those microscopic turnovers and if he's going to stick with Epstein resigns he's a huge value proposition.
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2. Len Bias SF - WS/48 #3
B C+ C- C+ C A to A B+ C B C B (+9)
Massive improvement in scoring (1.04 rookie to 1.13 career); 15 inside 5 strength 5 jumper will do that for a guy. Considering "Everything aside from the scoring is good", it's not a surprise he asked for and got a max resign.
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3. Chuck Person SF - WS/48 #9
B- B C- C C A to B+ A- C- C+ C B (+5)
I was going to say Chuck was the last star caliber player in this draft but that's kind of a stretch. And he's number three. And he just got maxed. Yikes. He can definitely score, amazing how +25 Inside solves that problem so well. The rest of his game remains "middling wing", though.
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4. Ron Kellogg SF - WS/48 #4
C C+ C- C+ C+ A to C+ B C- B+ B B (+8)
Kellogg was a little corny to start and needed some seasoning in the G League... not to mention some frosting
but I decided to only rank actual 2001 draftees for this retrospective, and that's that. Ron could anchor any team with his elite glue guy stats: doesn't shoot much but does so efficiently, defends, rebounds, doesn't turn it over, can't ask for much more than that. The whole point of me waiting on this was so that everyone could get through FA and Kellogg actually did that last year so whatever.
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5. Andre Turner PG - WS/48 #2
C C+ C+ C+ D A to C+ A A- B+ D A (+13)
The Trail Burner was G Leaguing too, which probably helped him get that +13. He's real solid across the board, nothing spectacular but no glaring weaknesses aside from rebounding. Not a guy I would personally FULL SUPER MAX but hey, you can never have too many good players.
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6. Kevin Duckworth C - WS/48 #6
C C- D+ C B- A to C C D C+ B- C (+3)
Quack quack quack Mr. Taco! The Duck of Death blossomed into a truly mediocre scorer, though his d/r numbers didn't really grow (11.0 1.8 rookie to 11.6 2.0 career). That he managed to reach #6 in ws/48 with such modest production on a tanking team is the best testament I can think of to how weak this class is. Well, that and an IRL scrub like Chuck Person is a legit standout in it.
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7. Mark Price PG - WS/48 #5
C B- C+ B- D A to C B+ B- A- D B (+6)
Price is a legitimately decent player. Scores a little below average, great handles, good enough d/r. Is the Price price right? Absolutely not. Does anyone know what's going on in Bean Town? Not even a little. Is this the last time I'll Rumsfeld this retrospective? Not a chance.
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8. Dwayne Washington PG - WS/48 #24
C C+ B C+ D- B to C B A- C+ D B (+5)
Dwayne 'The Block' Washington is not a good player by any means but he naturally became a middling scorer over time (.95 rookie to 1.04 career), and with his defensive package I would take those cheapo resigns every year in the Cavaliers'shoes seaboots.
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9. Brad Daugherty C - WS/48 #8
B+ C- C- C C+ B to A- C- C- C+ B- C (+3)
"he'll probably never reach even 1 block per game." Brad Daugherty doubled his blocks and proved the haters right since that still only got him to .25 / 36. I was sure a big time scorer would get a big time deal, but shockingly he's still a free agent. Could be the "iffy handles", could be the Charlotte stink. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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10. Drazen Petrovic SG - WS/48 #22
D+ A- C- C D B to C- A C- B D+ A (+6)
What if Kendall Stephens didn't turn it over all the time? Enter the Drazen. I don't think he'll ever be a useful player or anything but he's at least moderately interesting, and that's worth a $3m a year resign in my book. We all know about the low volume small sample players with great efficiencies, but it's worth remembering that they can also be high efficiency guys who display terrible, as Drazen's rookie .96 demonstrates.
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career stats
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Okay, so any other hits or misses? Let's look at the final rankings not yet mentioned or ineligible:
5. Ron Harper - "Perfect for an IRL sixth man role. That's not as much of a thing in sim league so he sits mid ladder."
B+ C D+ C C- B to B+ C C- C C D (+2)
nailed it
6. Kassius Robertson - "Here's a nugget of free advice for new GM Mike, hold onto guys with A Outside Scoring."
he's actually no longer ladder eligible, but he's in FA right now, go get'm cowboy.
7. Lagerald Vick - "It got reeeeal sparse in the lower levels. ... In the words of noted simulated basketball enthusiast Gennaro Gattuso, guys like this 'sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe s***.'"
It was... it was the second one.
8. Arvydas Sabonis - "Sabo is a lower middle class man's Daugherty. It's possible, even plausible that he ends up jumping Brad. Or he could hit JBC TCs and bounce around the league on MLEs."
B- C D+ C+ B B to B- C D+ B B B (+2)
Neck and neck with Daugherty now overall - less weak handles but less strong scoring, d/r the same. How one is unemployed and one has a $76m deal is beyond me.
9. Jeff Hornacek* - "Horny can score a little and rebound more than once a quarter.
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B- B- C+ B- D+ C to B- B- B- B+ D+ C (+3)
nailed it
rest of lotto
Buck Johnson - "poor on offense and defense"
B- C+ C- C C+ A to C+ B- C B C+ B (+4)
a min, an LLE, and he's available!
Stojko Vrankovic - "DNP (bad)"
B- B- C C+ C A to A- B B- B C+ B (+9)
turned into a pretty decent scorer, won sixth man of the year, has 9 blocks in 223 career games (that's a stiff .04 per game), rebounds about as well as small forward Ron Kellogg, also available!
Kenny Walker - "makes Buck Johnson look like Kenny Walker. they're the same guy. that's the joke"
B C+ B- B- C+ C to B C+ B- B+ C+ C (+2)
the only player in this part of the list who ISN'T available... because he's out of the league
Dennis Rodman - "something tells me there aren't too many DPOYs in his future. or contract offers"
B D+ D C+ B- C to B D+ D- C+ B C (+0)
so far he's at one LLE and zero DPOY, so i'm gonna go with nailed it. available!
John Salley - "4.0 big man scoring and 5.0 big man shot blocking. not great, bob john"
A+ F- C C- C- C to A F- C+ C- C C (+0)
has exactly the same number of blocks as Vrankovic. coincidence, or conspiracy? they'll both be out of the league within a year since he's available!, let's not overthink it.
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and one last shoutout for Augusto Binelli:
C+ D- C- C C D to B- D- C- B B+ B (+8)
+8 and he's still baloney
and he's available!
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overall i'd say i did a pretty solid job. everyone i said was awful either is or got +25 to scoring attributes and is decent now. not gonna break my arm patting myself on the back but i might take a sprain.
I pulled stats for everyone in the 2001 rookie draft and graded them out as if I was doing a ladder - didn't look at anything else but the stats I look at doing the ladder. There are 26 survivors from that class that have played at least 1000 minutes, so after I laddered them I also included their rank in WS/48 of that group and peppered it with quotes I pulled from the original ladder. Just so our expectations can be in the right range, there were only 6 players who beat .100 WS/48 (league average).
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1. Mark Alarie PF - WS/48 #1
B+ C+ F+ C B- C to B+ C+ F C B- C (-1)
As if there was a doubt. Spent a couple years holding a clipboard for Mikan and Yommy (no relation), then showed no rust with a sublime 53/94 season. "You'd like to see more rebounds, but those should come" WRONG! WRONG! but he's still got those microscopic turnovers and if he's going to stick with Epstein resigns he's a huge value proposition.
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2. Len Bias SF - WS/48 #3
B C+ C- C+ C A to A B+ C B C B (+9)
Massive improvement in scoring (1.04 rookie to 1.13 career); 15 inside 5 strength 5 jumper will do that for a guy. Considering "Everything aside from the scoring is good", it's not a surprise he asked for and got a max resign.
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3. Chuck Person SF - WS/48 #9
B- B C- C C A to B+ A- C- C+ C B (+5)
I was going to say Chuck was the last star caliber player in this draft but that's kind of a stretch. And he's number three. And he just got maxed. Yikes. He can definitely score, amazing how +25 Inside solves that problem so well. The rest of his game remains "middling wing", though.
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4. Ron Kellogg SF - WS/48 #4
C C+ C- C+ C+ A to C+ B C- B+ B B (+8)
Kellogg was a little corny to start and needed some seasoning in the G League... not to mention some frosting
but I decided to only rank actual 2001 draftees for this retrospective, and that's that. Ron could anchor any team with his elite glue guy stats: doesn't shoot much but does so efficiently, defends, rebounds, doesn't turn it over, can't ask for much more than that. The whole point of me waiting on this was so that everyone could get through FA and Kellogg actually did that last year so whatever.
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5. Andre Turner PG - WS/48 #2
C C+ C+ C+ D A to C+ A A- B+ D A (+13)
The Trail Burner was G Leaguing too, which probably helped him get that +13. He's real solid across the board, nothing spectacular but no glaring weaknesses aside from rebounding. Not a guy I would personally FULL SUPER MAX but hey, you can never have too many good players.
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6. Kevin Duckworth C - WS/48 #6
C C- D+ C B- A to C C D C+ B- C (+3)
Quack quack quack Mr. Taco! The Duck of Death blossomed into a truly mediocre scorer, though his d/r numbers didn't really grow (11.0 1.8 rookie to 11.6 2.0 career). That he managed to reach #6 in ws/48 with such modest production on a tanking team is the best testament I can think of to how weak this class is. Well, that and an IRL scrub like Chuck Person is a legit standout in it.
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7. Mark Price PG - WS/48 #5
C B- C+ B- D A to C B+ B- A- D B (+6)
Price is a legitimately decent player. Scores a little below average, great handles, good enough d/r. Is the Price price right? Absolutely not. Does anyone know what's going on in Bean Town? Not even a little. Is this the last time I'll Rumsfeld this retrospective? Not a chance.
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8. Dwayne Washington PG - WS/48 #24
C C+ B C+ D- B to C B A- C+ D B (+5)
Dwayne 'The Block' Washington is not a good player by any means but he naturally became a middling scorer over time (.95 rookie to 1.04 career), and with his defensive package I would take those cheapo resigns every year in the Cavaliers'
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9. Brad Daugherty C - WS/48 #8
B+ C- C- C C+ B to A- C- C- C+ B- C (+3)
"he'll probably never reach even 1 block per game." Brad Daugherty doubled his blocks and proved the haters right since that still only got him to .25 / 36. I was sure a big time scorer would get a big time deal, but shockingly he's still a free agent. Could be the "iffy handles", could be the Charlotte stink. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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10. Drazen Petrovic SG - WS/48 #22
D+ A- C- C D B to C- A C- B D+ A (+6)
What if Kendall Stephens didn't turn it over all the time? Enter the Drazen. I don't think he'll ever be a useful player or anything but he's at least moderately interesting, and that's worth a $3m a year resign in my book. We all know about the low volume small sample players with great efficiencies, but it's worth remembering that they can also be high efficiency guys who display terrible, as Drazen's rookie .96 demonstrates.
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career stats
pts/tsa blk/36 stl/36 tov/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 JSH 3SH xp/t mp Player
1.197 1.41 0.51 0.90 0.86 10.12 16.01 100.75 12.25 1.190 4524 Mark Alarie PF
1.121 1.01 0.90 1.57 1.43 6.73 26.47 86.91 59.09 1.128 10529 Len Bias SF
1.121 0.79 1.06 1.85 1.00 6.88 18.93 92.44 68.56 1.117 8051 Chuck Person SF
1.102 0.38 1.64 1.01 1.13 9.35 11.75 98.42 37.58 1.088 3221 Ron Kellogg SF
1.071 0.20 1.41 1.92 4.63 3.23 24.00 91.94 89.06 1.108 7925 Andre Turner PG
1.064 1.96 0.65 0.78 1.17 11.61 9.13 78.09 12.91 1.064 8942 Kevin Duckworth C
1.081 0.12 1.78 1.43 5.08 3.21 16.51 86.08 59.92 1.067 8939 Mark Price PG
1.019 1.05 1.20 2.70 2.56 3.60 15.00 77.35 58.65 1.042 7272 Dwayne Washington PG
1.118 0.25 0.74 2.48 0.90 11.05 20.86 68.89 0.11 1.119 9396 Brad Daugherty C
1.127 0.20 1.19 0.99 1.00 3.98 6.96 87.55 93.45 1.159 3638 Drazen Petrovic SG
1.066 0.57 0.79 1.70 1.00 11.13 20.78 72.71 18.29 1.065 9510 Arvydas Sabonis C
0.934 0.38 0.57 1.89 0.90 12.13 10.04 35.48 0.52 0.934 4636 Augusto Binelli C
1.008 0.18 0.92 1.29 1.57 7.53 11.20 78.89 47.11 1.004 3881 Buck Johnson SF
1.045 0.39 0.77 1.16 1.17 10.59 11.36 67.03 23.97 1.063 4712 Cedric Henderson* PF
0.969 1.13 0.65 0.97 1.33 13.56 11.78 77.86 13.14 0.969 5597 Chris Washburn C
1.060 0.87 1.57 1.39 0.50 10.61 8.35 58.35 -2.35 1.060 6417 Dennis Rodman PF
1.064 0.35 1.52 1.29 2.45 4.34 17.47 91.23 34.77 1.063 9671 Jeff Hornacek* SG
1.007 0.00 0.65 3.27 1.13 8.07 20.95 8.99 -2.99 1.007 3498 John Salley PF
1.032 0.73 0.73 1.45 0.70 10.89 18.44 76.52 14.48 1.032 6919 Kenny Gattison PF
1.014 0.15 0.92 2.29 2.00 7.78 13.42 67.55 45.45 1.025 4531 Kenny Walker SF
0.988 0.43 1.00 2.56 3.50 3.56 11.95 76.47 36.53 0.999 6021 Michael Jackson PG
1.077 0.16 0.63 0.79 1.40 5.37 10.11 78.09 12.91 1.083 7478 Ron Harper SF
0.998 0.65 0.65 2.12 1.15 8.31 17.59 67.45 45.55 1.005 5083 Roy Tarpley C
1.129 0.00 0.95 2.71 1.60 9.74 19.22 80.65 55.35 1.101 5932 Stojko Vrankovic C.
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Okay, so any other hits or misses? Let's look at the final rankings not yet mentioned or ineligible:
5. Ron Harper - "Perfect for an IRL sixth man role. That's not as much of a thing in sim league so he sits mid ladder."
B+ C D+ C C- B to B+ C C- C C D (+2)
nailed it
6. Kassius Robertson - "Here's a nugget of free advice for new GM Mike, hold onto guys with A Outside Scoring."
he's actually no longer ladder eligible, but he's in FA right now, go get'm cowboy.
7. Lagerald Vick - "It got reeeeal sparse in the lower levels. ... In the words of noted simulated basketball enthusiast Gennaro Gattuso, guys like this 'sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe s***.'"
It was... it was the second one.
8. Arvydas Sabonis - "Sabo is a lower middle class man's Daugherty. It's possible, even plausible that he ends up jumping Brad. Or he could hit JBC TCs and bounce around the league on MLEs."
B- C D+ C+ B B to B- C D+ B B B (+2)
Neck and neck with Daugherty now overall - less weak handles but less strong scoring, d/r the same. How one is unemployed and one has a $76m deal is beyond me.
9. Jeff Hornacek* - "Horny can score a little and rebound more than once a quarter.
"B- B- C+ B- D+ C to B- B- B- B+ D+ C (+3)
nailed it
rest of lotto
Buck Johnson - "poor on offense and defense"
B- C+ C- C C+ A to C+ B- C B C+ B (+4)
a min, an LLE, and he's available!
Stojko Vrankovic - "DNP (bad)"
B- B- C C+ C A to A- B B- B C+ B (+9)
turned into a pretty decent scorer, won sixth man of the year, has 9 blocks in 223 career games (that's a stiff .04 per game), rebounds about as well as small forward Ron Kellogg, also available!
Kenny Walker - "makes Buck Johnson look like Kenny Walker. they're the same guy. that's the joke"
B C+ B- B- C+ C to B C+ B- B+ C+ C (+2)
the only player in this part of the list who ISN'T available... because he's out of the league
Dennis Rodman - "something tells me there aren't too many DPOYs in his future. or contract offers"
B D+ D C+ B- C to B D+ D- C+ B C (+0)
so far he's at one LLE and zero DPOY, so i'm gonna go with nailed it. available!
John Salley - "4.0 big man scoring and 5.0 big man shot blocking. not great, bob john"
A+ F- C C- C- C to A F- C+ C- C C (+0)
has exactly the same number of blocks as Vrankovic. coincidence, or conspiracy? they'll both be out of the league within a year since he's available!, let's not overthink it.
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and one last shoutout for Augusto Binelli:
C+ D- C- C C D to B- D- C- B B+ B (+8)
+8 and he's still baloney
and he's available!
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overall i'd say i did a pretty solid job. everyone i said was awful either is or got +25 to scoring attributes and is decent now. not gonna break my arm patting myself on the back but i might take a sprain.
