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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 13:06:12 GMT
What does everyone think of going to something like this:
Day 1 - Max offers only
Days 2-5 - FA as usual
Post TC Signings - Offer by PM, first come first served except when offering more than min (MLE, LLE, teams w/cap)
Introducing cap holds:
If offering more than MLE to retain a player there will be a cap hold for this amount, meaning you can't offer another contract with any software "cap space" until that player signs
Restricted Free Agency:
For second round draft picks coming off their rookie deals that were extended, retaining team has RFA rights to them and first right of refusal to match any deal they sign with another team
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 26, 2018 13:11:10 GMT
Post TC signings handled by PMs will be a massive clusterfuck, what problems do you see with the current "post first, sign first" thing?
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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 13:12:27 GMT
Post TC signings handled by PMs will be a massive clusterfuck, what problems do you see with the current "post first, sign first" thing? I just don't think it's particularly fair that just b/c someone is on when TC is posted they have first dibs of unsigned guys |
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 26, 2018 13:13:24 GMT
And if the way I'm reading cap holds correctly, you're basically wanting to prevent a team with 24 mil in caps from offering more than 1 max? Also a gigantic clusterfuck, FA is random enough as is, limiting to offering x amount of players when who signs with what team is mostly completely random is no bueno.
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Post by wee2dee on Jul 26, 2018 13:14:05 GMT
don't like only MAX offers on Day 1.
for example, as of right now I would have $12.27 mill in cap space open. seems like I should be able to offer that to someone I consider worth that on Day 1.
maybe cap it at $10 million plus bids?
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 26, 2018 13:15:32 GMT
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if lebron, wade, bosh and another max guy are all hitting FA
most teams will only be able to offer lebron on day 1
then if lebron signs, offer wade on day 2 etc
having a thought process of "maybe i shouldn't offer lebron on day 1 but offer bosh instead" is straight from the irush handbook of GMing, that shouldn't be a strategy.
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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 13:15:43 GMT
And if the way I'm reading cap holds correctly, you're basically wanting to prevent a team with 24 mil in caps from offering more than 1 max? Also a gigantic clusterfuck, FA is random enough as is, limiting to offering x amount of players when who signs with what team is mostly completely random is no bueno. No thats not what I'm saying at all. Example: Lebron played for Team A and they have bird rights Team A has $11 million in cap space and wants to offer Lebron a max Team A cannot make any other offers with said cap space until Lebron signs. |
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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 13:17:10 GMT
don't like only MAX offers on Day 1. for example, as of right now I would have $12.27 mill in cap space open. seems like I should be able to offer that to someone I consider worth that on Day 1. maybe cap it at $10 million plus bids? I like that idea, or maybe even only offers over MLE, so $4.6 mil and above |
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 26, 2018 13:17:39 GMT
Post TC signings handled by PMs will be a massive clusterfuck, what problems do you see with the current "post first, sign first" thing? I just don't think it's particularly fair that just b/c someone is on when TC is posted they have first dibs of unsigned guys but that's exactly whats gonna happen too, except it'll have to be handled by your PMs, with timestamp checking, or is there some other part of "send it via PM" that's gonna prevent the guys who are online first from signing a Chink Crossin for a min over someone who showed up 5 hours later? |
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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 13:17:50 GMT
Like if lebron, wade, bosh and another max guy are all hitting FA most teams will only be able to offer lebron on day 1 then if lebron signs, offer wade on day 2 etc having a thought process of "maybe i shouldn't offer lebron on day 1 but offer bosh instead" is straight from the irush handbook of GMing, that shouldn't be a strategy. I agree that is stupid, but that isn't at all how cap holds would work. They do the same thing IRL as what I'm proposing re: cap holds. |
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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 13:19:13 GMT
I just don't think it's particularly fair that just b/c someone is on when TC is posted they have first dibs of unsigned guys but that's exactly whats gonna happen too, except it'll have to be handled by your PMs, with timestamp checking, or is there some other part of "send it via PM" that's gonna prevent the guys who are online first from signing a Chink Crossin for a min over someone who showed up 5 hours later? If they have MLE or LLE available, or even cap space, they could offer that and beat the min offer. Hell we could even make it public bidding. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 26, 2018 13:19:14 GMT
Like if lebron, wade, bosh and another max guy are all hitting FA most teams will only be able to offer lebron on day 1 then if lebron signs, offer wade on day 2 etc having a thought process of "maybe i shouldn't offer lebron on day 1 but offer bosh instead" is straight from the irush handbook of GMing, that shouldn't be a strategy. I agree that is stupid, but that isn't at all how cap holds would work. They do the same thing IRL as what I'm proposing re: cap holds. So how would that situation play out with say 5 teams each with 20 mil in caps? Are they allowed to offer both Lebron and Wade in day 1 or no? |
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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 13:20:50 GMT
I agree that is stupid, but that isn't at all how cap holds would work. They do the same thing IRL as what I'm proposing re: cap holds. So how would that situation play out with say 5 teams each with 20 mil in caps? Are they allowed to offer both Lebron and Wade in day 1 or no? Cap holds are only in place for teams that have birds on a player. A team with 20 mil in cap could offer whoever they wanted unless they had birds on one of the players, then they could offer $7.5 mil to others assuming first max. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 26, 2018 13:22:06 GMT
but that's exactly whats gonna happen too, except it'll have to be handled by your PMs, with timestamp checking, or is there some other part of "send it via PM" that's gonna prevent the guys who are online first from signing a Chink Crossin for a min over someone who showed up 5 hours later? If they have MLE or LLE available, or even cap space, they could offer that and beat the min offer. Hell we could even make it public bidding. post TC signing is mostly about teams with less than 12 trying to fill their roster slots, dragging that process out longer is just unnecessary hassle for minimum gain imo. There's enough on the plate in the Draft-FA-TC-PS-DCs process that something else which requires 29 teams to send you multiple PMs is just gonna add to the mess. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 26, 2018 13:24:39 GMT
So how would that situation play out with say 5 teams each with 20 mil in caps? Are they allowed to offer both Lebron and Wade in day 1 or no? Cap holds are only in place for teams that have birds on a player. A team with 20 mil in cap could offer whoever they wanted unless they had birds on one of the players, then they could offer $7.5 mil to others assuming first max. Purposely offering 2 guys amounts so that only 1 would sign is a perfectly viable strategy, like having 20 mil in caps and offering 2 PGs 11 mil each (regardless of birds) so you only sign 1, the cap hold situation would require me in certain instances that if I wanted to offer both PGs, I have to offer them 11 and 9 respectively (or w/e different amount that adds up to 20) no? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 13:25:34 GMT
seems like it makes it harder for teams like me with less than max cap space to be able to find players. the chance of grabbing a guy on a 3 year 6m day 1 is gone and now all the people that missed out on maxes will bid on my guy
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Post by jhb on Jul 26, 2018 13:26:43 GMT
What about if we don't change it.
Yeah, I like that.
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Post by jhb on Jul 26, 2018 13:27:53 GMT
seems like it makes it harder for teams like me with less than max cap space to be able to find players. the chance of grabbing a guy on a 3 year 6m day 1 is gone and now all the people that missed out on maxes will bid on my guy This. If teams are going to gamble on max guys they shouldn't get a headstart to do that and then be able to fallback on the mid-level market with the same advantage as all of the people only playing in that market. FA is fine just the way it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 13:28:40 GMT
not only do i not like it but it seems like a headache for everyone involved
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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 13:30:56 GMT
If they have MLE or LLE available, or even cap space, they could offer that and beat the min offer. Hell we could even make it public bidding. post TC signing is mostly about teams with less than 12 trying to fill their roster slots, dragging that process out longer is just unnecessary hassle for minimum gain imo. There's enough on the plate in the Draft-FA-TC-PS-DCs process that something else which requires 29 teams to send you multiple PMs is just gonna add to the mess. Yeah I can get behind that making sense. I think posting in the thread to "outbid" someone with an LLE or MLE is also not too terribly difficult to impliment |
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Post by jhb on Jul 26, 2018 13:31:01 GMT
Also with cap holds the only way to regulate it would be the honor system. And since Day 1 runs simultaneously, if a hypothetical player were the first to sign and leave his original team that team can now not sign any of the other max level players because they had that cap hold.
I think the system works just fine the way it is. The unintended negative consequences this would create for people's ability to build teams would far outweigh the benefit of stopping that one Dump or Ank level superteam that gets created in FA every 5 or 10 seasons
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Post by jhb on Jul 26, 2018 13:32:06 GMT
post TC signing is mostly about teams with less than 12 trying to fill their roster slots, dragging that process out longer is just unnecessary hassle for minimum gain imo. There's enough on the plate in the Draft-FA-TC-PS-DCs process that something else which requires 29 teams to send you multiple PMs is just gonna add to the mess. Yeah I can get behind that making sense. I think posting in the thread to "outbid" someone with an LLE or MLE is also not too terribly difficult to impliment I think this is fair. You would just need a deadline for post-TC signing period like when you run preseason or something. Then the "bidding" is locked in and players get added to teams. |
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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 13:34:50 GMT
seems like it makes it harder for teams like me with less than max cap space to be able to find players. the chance of grabbing a guy on a 3 year 6m day 1 is gone and now all the people that missed out on maxes will bid on my guy thats kind of the point, to introduce parity and mirror real life |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 13:51:17 GMT
seems like it makes it harder for teams like me with less than max cap space to be able to find players. the chance of grabbing a guy on a 3 year 6m day 1 is gone and now all the people that missed out on maxes will bid on my guy thats kind of the point, to introduce parity and mirror real life Yeah because the teams with max cap space are the worst ones /s Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Jul 26, 2018 13:58:19 GMT
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Post by Majic on Jul 26, 2018 14:12:11 GMT
I do not like the cap hold idea. Limits what teams can do in FA.
I do really like the idea of a Day 1 offer restrictions. Whether it be anything above an MLE or have it be 1 year max or higher offers.
Thats more so how real life works. Stars sign first and then midlevel guys find the best spots.
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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 14:13:46 GMT
I appreciate the input, going to go with the following:
No bids MLE or under on day 1.
In the post TC signings thread, players will be bid on via silent auction with the cut off being a pre-posted time. Cap space, MLE, and LLE can be used to trump min bids, multiple back and forth bids can be placed on the same player with the high bid winning at the deadline.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 14:18:07 GMT
define "under mle"
per year? total? what if it starts below mle but ends above?
does this apply to guys you have birds on?
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Post by Druce on Jul 26, 2018 14:20:27 GMT
define "under mle" per year? total? what if it starts below mle but ends above? does this apply to guys you have birds on? No bids under $4,500,001 first year salary. Applies to everyone |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 14:22:07 GMT
i think the rule is dumb and pointless and accomplishes nothing, but those guys aren't signing day 1 so i don't care that much
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