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Post by Druce on Jul 9, 2018 11:53:01 GMT
A few options with these teams. I can GM them so they aren't wastelands if/when we get someone, or we can let them go and whatever happens happens.
If I'm going to GM them it will go as follows:
1. FA Bids will be input before I look at anyone elses bids
2. If a player is being inquired about I will post a block and a deadline for best offers. I'm not going to engage in a bunch of back and forth trade talks.
3. Any timpig $ from eric's spreadsheet thread will be added to a general team bank waiving the 25% hair cut on $
4. Any GM-less team will be granted +20 to be spent per sim season (or whatever we think is fair)
Discuss so we can have a resolution before I do FA Sim 1 this evening.
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 9, 2018 13:00:21 GMT
From reading what happened at the end of 4.0, letting GMs trade with CompuTeams via commish seems like a slippery slope.
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Post by Druce on Jul 9, 2018 13:04:51 GMT
From reading what happened at the end of 4.0, letting GMs trade with CompuTeams via commish seems like a slippery slope. I agree. This wouldn't be like a free for all, every player is on the block sort of thing, it would more be a "if i was the GM of this team that had an actual team building plan would i take this deal" sort of thing |
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Post by eric on Jul 9, 2018 14:14:39 GMT
i think we can rely on your discretion to make obvious big moves for compu teams without having to get all the way into the nitty gritty and pick out 15 MLEs for them or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 14:24:37 GMT
I would say give a couple of trustworthy gms the responsibility of making offers for the teams. Perhaps guys without cap space.
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Post by andrewluck on Jul 9, 2018 14:57:45 GMT
Not sure why GM-less teams need +20 in upgrades or dumpbucks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 15:01:57 GMT
Not sure why GM-less teams need +20 in upgrades or dumpbucks. So its more enticing for new gms |
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Post by Druce on Jul 9, 2018 15:03:11 GMT
Not sure why GM-less teams need +20 in upgrades or dumpbucks. to simulate them having an actual gm and not being at a disadvantage b/c no one has been gm-ing them |
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Post by TimPig on Jul 9, 2018 15:04:33 GMT
I think the move may be to draft guys and then try and re-sign them for the GM-less teams. This will keep veterans and the inevitable trading backlash out of the conversation for a while, then if we're GM-less long enough and Courtney Alexander (for example) comes to a point where he needs to be traded, you can post a block for him and maybe do something where you consult five GMs who did not make offers to review the best one. Or you could just pick your favorite at that point too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 15:06:16 GMT
THIS IS WHAT A TRADE COMMITTEE IS FOR!1!1!1!!11
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Jul 9, 2018 18:45:14 GMT
Give them their dump bucks - no need to give them a +20, too.
I strongly support giving them bucks to put players through the lab. It makes sure good players get their upgrades early in their career and gives the league a stronger base of players.
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Post by TimPig on Jul 9, 2018 19:05:25 GMT
Give them their dump bucks - no need to give them a +20, too. I strongly support giving them bucks to put players through the lab. It makes sure good players get their upgrades early in their career and gives the league a stronger base of players. Yeah, I'm cool with GM-less teams being able to just distribute +30 per year. Give Sabonis +25 for the Cavs and split the Spurs between Alexander and J-Will. |
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Post by Druce on Jul 9, 2018 19:13:08 GMT
Give them their dump bucks - no need to give them a +20, too. I strongly support giving them bucks to put players through the lab. It makes sure good players get their upgrades early in their career and gives the league a stronger base of players. I hear you on this, but on the flip side, they don't have someone who can do things like articles, pods, games, jobs in the league, etc. to earn those extra bucks |
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Post by Druce on Jul 9, 2018 19:14:38 GMT
I think the move may be to draft guys and then try and re-sign them for the GM-less teams. This will keep veterans and the inevitable trading backlash out of the conversation for a while, then if we're GM-less long enough and Courtney Alexander (for example) comes to a point where he needs to be traded, you can post a block for him and maybe do something where you consult five GMs who did not make offers to review the best one. Or you could just pick your favorite at that point too.Thats essentially what I'd be doing, it's not some first come first served type deal. It's going to be hard to get 5 unbiased opinions on a trade, hell it might even be hard to get 1. |
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Jul 9, 2018 19:16:43 GMT
Give them their dump bucks - no need to give them a +20, too. I strongly support giving them bucks to put players through the lab. It makes sure good players get their upgrades early in their career and gives the league a stronger base of players. I hear you on this, but on the flip side, they don't have someone who can do things like articles, pods, games, jobs in the league, etc. to earn those extra bucks You're describing kn and other GMs. No need to give the GM-less teams an advantage over more passive/busy GMs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 19:45:06 GMT
Give them their dump bucks - no need to give them a +20, too. I strongly support giving them bucks to put players through the lab. It makes sure good players get their upgrades early in their career and gives the league a stronger base of players. how does this make sense? who are you even giving the dump bucks to? just upgrade the players on the teams by a set amount each season. |
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Post by TimPig on Jul 9, 2018 19:48:22 GMT
Give them their dump bucks - no need to give them a +20, too. I strongly support giving them bucks to put players through the lab. It makes sure good players get their upgrades early in their career and gives the league a stronger base of players. how does this make sense? who are you even giving the dump bucks to? just upgrade the players on the teams by a set amount each season. I think they'd just accumulate in that team's bank. So rather than a new GM coming in and getting an automatic 10k, I assume they'd get whatever they accumulate for however long these teams are CompuGM'd. |
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Post by TimPig on Jul 9, 2018 19:48:51 GMT
And since the Cavs and Spurs both blow, they're probably getting like 300 bucks per season, so I'd assume it's probably in addition to the 10k they start with.
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Jul 9, 2018 19:51:05 GMT
And since the Cavs and Spurs both blow, they're probably getting like 300 bucks per season, so I'd assume it's probably in addition to the 10k they start with. Don't they get bucks for missing the playoffs? |
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Post by TimPig on Jul 9, 2018 19:53:03 GMT
And since the Cavs and Spurs both blow, they're probably getting like 300 bucks per season, so I'd assume it's probably in addition to the 10k they start with. Don't they get bucks for missing the playoffs? There was Shout conversation that this may be excessive considering points are already gained for dropping in the lotto. Druce seemed to agree. |
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Jul 9, 2018 19:53:08 GMT
Give them their dump bucks - no need to give them a +20, too. I strongly support giving them bucks to put players through the lab. It makes sure good players get their upgrades early in their career and gives the league a stronger base of players. how does this make sense? who are you even giving the dump bucks to? just upgrade the players on the teams by a set amount each season. At risk of being patronizing, you give the dump bucks to the team who uses the dump bucks to upgrade the roster. It's basically what is available to all other passive GMs. |
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Jul 9, 2018 19:53:54 GMT
Don't they get bucks for missing the playoffs? There was Shout conversation that this may be excessive. Druce seemed to agree. I guess I just don't see a reason why GM-less teams should get a leg up on other passive GMs. |
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Post by TimPig on Jul 9, 2018 19:56:12 GMT
There was Shout conversation that this may be excessive. Druce seemed to agree. I guess I just don't see a reason why GM-less teams should get a leg up on other passive GMs. The 10k would be removed for every non-playoff team. Therefore passive GMs would have the leg up, assuming that we wouldn't grant free upgrades for the lotto drops to GM-less teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 19:59:49 GMT
how does this make sense? who are you even giving the dump bucks to? just upgrade the players on the teams by a set amount each season. At risk of being patronizing, you give the dump bucks to the team who uses the dump bucks to upgrade the roster. It's basically what is available to all other passive GMs. no risk no reward |
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Jul 9, 2018 20:02:53 GMT
I guess I just don't see a reason why GM-less teams should get a leg up on other passive GMs. The 10k would be removed for every non-playoff team. Therefore passive GMs would have the leg up, assuming that we wouldn't grant free upgrades for the lotto drops to GM-less teams. Right - so a passive GM in the playoffs would be on equal footing with a GM-less team in the playoffs and a passive GM not in the playoffs would be on equal footing with a GM-less team not in the playoffs. Either give the GM-less teams access to their dump bucks rewards and no +20, or a +20 and don't bother with their dump buck rewards. But GM-less teams shouldn't get their dump bucks AND a free +20. |
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Post by ahebrewtoo on Jul 9, 2018 20:03:15 GMT
At risk of being patronizing, you give the dump bucks to the team who uses the dump bucks to upgrade the roster. It's basically what is available to all other passive GMs. no risk no reward Tell that to the hedge fund managers. |
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Post by andrewluck on Jul 9, 2018 20:09:45 GMT
I hear you on this, but on the flip side, they don't have someone who can do things like articles, pods, games, jobs in the league, etc. to earn those extra bucks You're describing kn and other GMs. No need to give the GM-less teams an advantage over more passive/busy GMs. Agreed. |
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Post by andrewluck on Jul 9, 2018 20:12:42 GMT
The 10k would be removed for every non-playoff team. Therefore passive GMs would have the leg up, assuming that we wouldn't grant free upgrades for the lotto drops to GM-less teams. Right - so a passive GM in the playoffs would be on equal footing with a GM-less team in the playoffs and a passive GM not in the playoffs would be on equal footing with a GM-less team not in the playoffs. Either give the GM-less teams access to their dump bucks rewards and no +20, or a +20 and don't bother with their dump buck rewards. But GM-less teams shouldn't get their dump bucks AND a free +20. Agree again. +20 seems excessive, IMO. Give them the bucks. Don't give them an advantage when others have to earn/buy the upgrade points. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 9, 2018 20:20:58 GMT
A free +20 is more than what kn88 makes in like 3 seasons with boxscores/posts.
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 9, 2018 20:22:13 GMT
Imo give the GM-less teams their boxscore rewards without the eric tax, then allow the commish to upgrade guys with those said banks.
Then when a new commish comes in, they get the startup newbie package of 10k bank and the free upgrades to jump start their careers.
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