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Post by TimPig on Aug 20, 2018 19:29:20 GMT
Bulls send:Mohamed Bamba Marcus Fizer AJ Guyton Jim Halpert John Petty (MLE) Knicks 09 1st Knicks 10 1st Bulls 09 1st Bulls 10 1st Bucks send:DeAndre Ayton Tacko Fall Trevon Duval Paul Pierce Accept. Druce
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Post by skrouse on Aug 20, 2018 19:30:23 GMT
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Post by Druce on Aug 20, 2018 19:30:49 GMT
yep
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Post by skrouse on Aug 20, 2018 19:37:20 GMT
My first thoughts post mind blown state.
Bulls send: Mohamed Bamba - Best returning piece, very good young big, but clear down grade from Ayton Marcus Fizer - meh average* prospect AJ Guyton - below meh prospect Jim Halpert - younger Nick King with a bad contact John Petty (MLE) - meh Knicks 09 1st - worthless Knicks 10 1st - worthless Bulls 09 1st - worthless Bulls 10 1st - worthless Bucks send:DeAndre Ayton - Top 10 player in league Tacko Fall - Decent big on bad deal Trevon Duval - exp deal Paul Pierce - Disappointing prospect thus far but not yet a lost cause.
Final thoughts: Veto, no way I'd give this up if I were the Bucks gm, would make more sense to move everything but Ayton and rebuild as he's locked up for 7 years.
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Post by dump on Aug 20, 2018 19:37:58 GMT
Veto
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Post by TimPig on Aug 20, 2018 19:44:32 GMT
Knicks 09 1st - worthless Knicks 10 1st - worthless Bulls 09 1st - worthless Bulls 10 1st - worthless Ayton would be the only person on the current Bulls roster in 09 and 10. Whitey Von Nieda is the only person on the current Knicks roster in 09 and 10. In four years Mikan will be 35, Firsto will be 32, Landale will be 33, McCall will be 38. Add a year to each for 2010. Even if eric does resign all of them, no guarantee that at least a couple haven't retired. |
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Post by skrouse on Aug 20, 2018 19:46:03 GMT
Knicks 09 1st - worthless Knicks 10 1st - worthless Bulls 09 1st - worthless Bulls 10 1st - worthless Ayton would be the only person on the current Bulls roster in 09 and 10. Whitey Von Nieda is the only person on the current Knicks roster in 09 and 10. In four years Mikan will be 35, Firsto will be 32, Landale will be 33, McCall will be 38. Add a year to each for 2010. Even if eric does resign all of them, no guarantee that at least a couple haven't retired. Both teams will have a top 10ish player and GMs that will be aggressively looking to compete, they have little to no lotto potential |
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Post by IanBoyd on Aug 20, 2018 19:46:38 GMT
huh
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Post by dump on Aug 20, 2018 19:47:31 GMT
Yeah I’m sure eric of all GMs will not retool by then |
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Post by Taco: Better than a Nacho on Aug 20, 2018 19:47:50 GMT
I think Fizer is better than "meh"
Still seems intriguing why the Bucks would let go of Ayton for something less than lottery picks and prospects considering he's a top 10-15 talent.
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Post by dump on Aug 20, 2018 19:48:33 GMT
I think Fizer is better than "meh" Still seems intriguing why the Bucks would let go of Ayton for something less than lottery picks and prospects considering he's a top 10-15 talent. because the commish doesnt care |
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Post by skrouse on Aug 20, 2018 19:49:14 GMT
I think Fizer is better than "meh" Still seems intriguing why the Bucks would let go of Ayton for something less than lottery picks and prospects considering he's a top 10-15 talent. Ok even if Fizer is a slightly above avg prospect, doesn't make the deal better for Bucks IMO |
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Post by Taco: Better than a Nacho on Aug 20, 2018 19:51:08 GMT
Seems odd to me that a top 10-15 player would be dealt by a commish controlled team without telling the entire league to make offers too
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Post by skrouse on Aug 20, 2018 19:53:16 GMT
Seems odd to me that a top 10-15 player would be dealt by a commish controlled team without telling the entire league to make offers too Ayton not going to move so save yours and my time |
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Post by dump on Aug 20, 2018 19:53:45 GMT
Team no trades with compuGM teams
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Post by eric on Aug 20, 2018 20:06:22 GMT
bucks
already didn't have max cap room next year and still don't
move from core of Ayton - Tacko to Bamba - Fizer - Halpert on top of Shields and Champ if they bring him back
Bamba is a downgrade from Ayton, Fizer is an upgrade on Tacko, Halpert is a huge upgrade on Ron Harper or whoever
already had three bigs worth playing and still do, except now the ages match better (Tacko is 29)
if they don't bring back Champ they're stuck in mediocrity. if they do, they look pretty feisty
i like the 13 firsts offer better, but this keeps the team competitive and gives you a few long shots at talent with late firsts
bulls
get a lot of cap relief, should be able to bring back haynes and herb no problem
unless haynes retires and herb gets maxed by someone foolish
then they'll be in no man's land at the soft cap and not good enough to contend
they also got older and expended a lot of their resources to get not much better and thinner on the wing
but when you're contending for a title a marginal improvement can pay outsize dividends in fractional titles
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i don't love it for either team. it's definitely not vetoable
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Post by Majic on Aug 20, 2018 20:21:18 GMT
couple quick thoughts:
dont like the trade if I was the Bucks GM butI wont debate if its veto-able.
I will say I think a legit block should have been posted
Anytime a top 15 player is being moved from a compu-team, I think a specific trade block should be posted.
Outside of the sarcastic Druce-RW back and forth, the posted block stated Ayton would not move.
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Post by TimPig on Aug 20, 2018 21:25:49 GMT
I think Fizer is better than "meh" Still seems intriguing why the Bucks would let go of Ayton for something less than lottery picks and prospects considering he's a top 10-15 talent. because the commish doesnt care I've been trying to work on this deal for a week. I put together multiple different proposals centered around different pieces. If you don't like the deal it's one thing, but it's not like Druce was accepting whatever offer came his way. |
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Post by fason on Aug 20, 2018 21:53:40 GMT
Trade looks fine to me, Tim gave up a ton to improve from Bamba to Ayton.
People complain way too much these days.
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Post by Mike on Aug 20, 2018 22:16:38 GMT
I don't give a shit, my team sucks either way.
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Post by Druce on Aug 21, 2018 0:48:24 GMT
couple quick thoughts: dont like the trade if I was the Bucks GM butI wont debate if its veto-able. I will say I think a legit block should have been posted Anytime a top 15 player is being moved from a compu-team, I think a specific trade block should be posted. Outside of the sarcastic Druce-RW back and forth, the posted block stated Ayton would not move. I wasn’t being sarcastic with rw, in fact I sent him an offer with less than 13 firsts involved |
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Post by Majic on Aug 21, 2018 13:29:06 GMT
couple quick thoughts: dont like the trade if I was the Bucks GM butI wont debate if its veto-able. I will say I think a legit block should have been posted Anytime a top 15 player is being moved from a compu-team, I think a specific trade block should be posted. Outside of the sarcastic Druce-RW back and forth, the posted block stated Ayton would not move. I wasn’t being sarcastic with rw, in fact I sent him an offer with less than 13 firsts involved we discussed this outside of the league but thought I would share it here as well I think some GM's, myself included, think that was not a real offer. or negotiation. Its likely that we will continue to have 2-3 compu-teams at all times so posting a clear block letting the league know a top player is available should be the standard. Even if this offer couldn't be beat, or offers on future players are un-beatable, still seems best to let everyone know. |
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Post by rw on Aug 21, 2018 16:10:34 GMT
I wasn’t being sarcastic with rw, in fact I sent him an offer with less than 13 firsts involved we discussed this outside of the league but thought I would share it here as well I think some GM's, myself included, think that was not a real offer. or negotiation. Its likely that we will continue to have 2-3 compu-teams at all times so posting a clear block letting the league know a top player is available should be the standard. Even if this offer couldn't be beat, or offers on future players are un-beatable, still seems best to let everyone know. It was a real negotiation and offer. We Pm'ed about it but ultimately I decided the price was too high. I was very close to pulling the trigger. |
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Post by Majic on Aug 21, 2018 16:17:52 GMT
we discussed this outside of the league but thought I would share it here as well I think some GM's, myself included, think that was not a real offer. or negotiation. Its likely that we will continue to have 2-3 compu-teams at all times so posting a clear block letting the league know a top player is available should be the standard. Even if this offer couldn't be beat, or offers on future players are un-beatable, still seems best to let everyone know. It was a real negotiation and offer. We Pm'ed about it but ultimately I decided the price was too high. I was very close to pulling the trigger. I guess that was my point, once PM's were exchanged and Druce started considering really moving Ayton he should have made it known IMO like I said, its whatever for this situation, I just think its a good rule to have moving forward with compu-teams and trades |
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Post by TimPig on Aug 21, 2018 16:28:53 GMT
It was a real negotiation and offer. We Pm'ed about it but ultimately I decided the price was too high. I was very close to pulling the trigger. I guess that was my point, once PM's were exchanged and Druce started considering really moving Ayton he should have made it known IMO like I said, its whatever for this situation, I just think its a good rule to have moving forward with compu-teams and trades Still 30 minutes for people to make offers. |
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