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Post by skrouse on Nov 20, 2020 17:16:24 GMT
A lot of conversations going on about what draft format we'll be using in 6.0. I think it would be prudent to get a pulse on the league.
Please rank you preference for Draft Format in 6.0 using the options below. Do not omit any options, rankings will be useful if we don't have a clear #1 choice, as we could have a clear #2.
A. Unweighted lotto (Non-Playoff teams have an equal chance to get any pick in the lottery; Playoff teams pick in reverse standings order)
B. Weighted lotto (Non-Playoff teams have a weighted chance based on reverse standings to get 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3; Playoff teams pick in reverse standings order)
C. Standard Wheel (With adjustments to account for Contract/Expansion)
D. Weighted Wheel or Wheel with Pods (Full details TBD - Basically picks are grouped into tiers/pods and then applied based on reverse standings in each tier/pod)
E. Rookie FA (As instituted at the conclusion of 5.0)
F. Reverse standings no lotto (NFL style)
Any former GMs who happen to be visiting and have an interest in 6.0, feel free to weigh in.
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Post by Logan on Nov 20, 2020 17:22:17 GMT
first off i'd like to mention that considering the number of teams we have, unweighted would need to be something like 5 or 6 seed and lower
additionally, i think it would be beneficial to have everyone rank their preferences and then assign points to that. 6 points for #1, etc.
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Post by skrouse on Nov 20, 2020 17:29:31 GMT
1. Standard Wheel
2. Rookie FA
3. Weighted Wheel or Wheel with Pods
4. Weighted lotto
5. Reverse standings no lotto
6. Unweighted lotto
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Post by Logan on Nov 20, 2020 17:49:06 GMT
unweighted
rookie fa
pod wheel
wheel
weighted
reverse standings
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Post by Majic on Nov 20, 2020 18:20:52 GMT
I have been pretty vocal for a long time on my preferences so I will rank them here:
1) Weighted lotto - I will state once again, I dont think tanking is a huge issue and I doubt we see the problems we saw at the end of 4.0. We have alot more of a functioning league and contraction system for when GM's are not fulfilling duties.
2) Weighted Wheel or Wheel with Pods - Love this idea and really think it could be a great compromise. Break every draft up into 4-5 "pods" of picks and assign teams to those pods. Rotates every 4-5 years and drafting order within those pods is determined by record. We could also do it with weighted odds based on record. This gives teams a certain level of certainty but also limits how high a good team could pick. Also offers some mystery when completing a trade. Pod A could have picks 1-5 in the next draft, there could be a huge value or loss of value in trading that pick.
3) Standard Wheel - Again, I am not the biggest fan as this method gives top picks to already good teams, lessoning the importance of player management. Another issue I have long had is how unbalanced the draft classes have been with Eric. I totally understand certain classes having a guy or two above the rest, but overall there needs to be some level of balance between quality of players in every draft class. A team only gets the #1 pick every 15-20 season, they should be able to get a player thats on par with all other classes, excluding the truly legendary players.
4) Unweighted lotto - Not the biggest fan of this but I know we did it for a little while in 5.0 with some success. Just too much uncertainty every year and its hard to plan for.
5) Rookie FA - I am not opposed to the concept, I just think ALOT more details and structure would need to be worked out before we saw this as a long term option.
6) Reverse standings no lotto - This is an option, although not a good one. If we thought about this route then I think it would just be best to go with Weighted or Unweighted lotto.
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Post by Mike on Nov 20, 2020 18:44:22 GMT
Weighted
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Post by jhb on Nov 20, 2020 18:50:00 GMT
1. Standard Wheel
2. Rookie FA
3. Weighted Lotto
4. Weighted Wheel
5. Reverse no lotto
6. Unweighted wheel
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Post by jhb on Nov 20, 2020 18:51:35 GMT
first off i'd like to mention that considering the number of teams we have, unweighted would need to be something like 5 or 6 seed and lower additionally, i think it would be beneficial to have everyone rank their preferences and then assign points to that. 6 points for #1, etc. I think it should be ranked 1. 6 2. 4 3. 2 4-6. 1 If it's not top 3 no one wants it. |
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Post by killybing on Nov 20, 2020 18:56:53 GMT
1. Weighted Lotto
2. Standard Wheel
3. Rookie FA
4. Weighted Wheel
5. Reverse Standings
6. Unweighted lotto
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Post by eric on Nov 20, 2020 20:11:29 GMT
i think logan's point warrants a lot more discussion, if we're looking at a ~20 team start to 6.0 then only ~4 teams will be in a traditional lotto
there are a lot of ways to go from there including not altering it at all, so i think people really need to specify what they have in mind if we want to get a real read on things
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Post by Logan on Nov 21, 2020 14:55:46 GMT
by jhbs scoring:
wheel - 32
weighted - 23
rookie fa - 19
weighted/pod wheel - 15
unweighted - 13
nfl style - 7
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Post by skrouse on Nov 21, 2020 17:17:23 GMT
A lot of GMs left to weigh in
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Post by killybing on Nov 22, 2020 17:50:06 GMT
i rerank rookie fa last until we get something to trade
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Post by killybing on Nov 22, 2020 17:51:02 GMT
also that is part of what makes unweighted lotto suck the picks arent worth nearly as much as they should.could be because its fucking unweighted random chance bullshit
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Post by Logan on Nov 22, 2020 17:58:06 GMT
also that is part of what makes unweighted lotto suck the picks arent worth nearly as much as they should.could be because its fucking unweighted random chance bullshit with the number of teams we have it would be mostly reverse standings and a lotto of 5-6 picks |
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Post by killybing on Nov 22, 2020 18:40:36 GMT
also that is part of what makes unweighted lotto suck the picks arent worth nearly as much as they should.could be because its fucking unweighted random chance bullshit with the number of teams we have it would be mostly reverse standings and a lotto of 5-6 picks
we are talking about what to move to in 6.0 though, the draft system we adopt needs to be robust enough to not be stupid as hell for anywhere from 14-25 GMs
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Post by skrouse on Nov 22, 2020 18:58:11 GMT
with the number of teams we have it would be mostly reverse standings and a lotto of 5-6 picks
we are talking about what to move to in 6.0 though, the draft system we adopt needs to be robust enough to not be stupid as hell for anywhere from 14-25 GMs
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Post by Logan on Nov 22, 2020 18:59:06 GMT
lol as if we will ever have 25 gms again
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Post by skrouse on Nov 27, 2020 22:26:09 GMT
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Nov 28, 2020 0:09:16 GMT
Definitely not A or F. I could be talked into the rest. |
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Nov 28, 2020 0:11:02 GMT
I will add that I would only want Rookie FA if we figure out a trade asset to incorporate that isn’t just bucks.
I like lots of the aspects of Rookie FA, but not having trade assets and not having a 3 yr MIN (or something like a 2nd Rd contract) is a major drag
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Post by troybarnes on Nov 28, 2020 0:12:48 GMT
1. Standard wheel
2. Weighted/pod wheel
3. Rookie FA
4. Weighted lotto
5. NFL style or unweighted lotto, doesn't really matter at that point
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Post by skrouse on Nov 28, 2020 0:38:20 GMT
Wheel taking a commanding lead here imo
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Post by skrouse on Nov 28, 2020 0:39:31 GMT
I will add that I would only want Rookie FA if we figure out a trade asset to incorporate that isn’t just bucks. I like lots of the aspects of Rookie FA, but not having trade assets and not having a 3 yr MIN (or something like a 2nd Rd contract) is a major drag Having more rookies on rookie FA deals may create some assets. But I don't know think anything else will equal the wheel level trade market. If you want trading you want wheel imo |
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Post by eric on Nov 28, 2020 0:46:08 GMT
I will add that I would only want Rookie FA if we figure out a trade asset to incorporate that isn’t just bucks. I like lots of the aspects of Rookie FA, but not having trade assets and not having a 3 yr MIN (or something like a 2nd Rd contract) is a major drag do you feel MVTO won't address the last part or are you TBDing it |
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Post by wee2dee on Nov 28, 2020 1:16:17 GMT
standard wheel and no other opinion
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Nov 28, 2020 2:32:31 GMT
I will add that I would only want Rookie FA if we figure out a trade asset to incorporate that isn’t just bucks. I like lots of the aspects of Rookie FA, but not having trade assets and not having a 3 yr MIN (or something like a 2nd Rd contract) is a major drag do you feel MVTO won't address the last part or are you TBDing it TBDing a little... but even with that you are relying on them OFFERING to re-sign right? I’d still like a multi-year initial signing option if we stick with Rookie FA |
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Post by Logan on Nov 28, 2020 2:48:42 GMT
do you feel MVTO won't address the last part or are you TBDing it TBDing a little... but even with that you are relying on them OFFERING to re-sign right? I’d still like a multi-year initial signing option if we stick with Rookie FA no, its a forced resign |
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Post by eric on Nov 28, 2020 4:09:13 GMT
TBDing a little... but even with that you are relying on them OFFERING to re-sign right? I’d still like a multi-year initial signing option if we stick with Rookie FA no, its a forced resign i prefer the term "contract of mutual consent that is unilaterally enforced at the absolute discretion of the team, you can't triple stamp a double dog dare, yes the whole thing, yes every time" |
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Post by skrouse on Nov 29, 2020 19:12:13 GMT
by jhbs scoring: wheel - 44 weighted - 24 rookie fa - 21 weighted/pod wheel - 19 unweighted - 14 nfl style - 8 Updated ranks by jhb's scoring method. |
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