MLE/LLE Extension Changes (472 views)

[eric]

Mar 17, 2020 4:07:56 GMT skrouse said:

Mar 16, 2020 21:29:12 GMT eric said:

if it changes your mind, the last case i can find of a GM extending an MLE and LLE in the same season was who else but bill in 2026, and before that delap in 2021, jhb in 2020, and nobody else since contraction. that's 3 times out of at least 270 GM-seasons, or 1 in 90

while i agree that option will no longer be available to you, if you and the overwhelming majority of the league haven't used it anyway, aren't you probably better off with the option that permits more contract flexibility?

I was close to extending Adrian Smith last year but due to a tight cap I didn't. Can 100% see that type of scenario occurring sans cap tightness in the future. 

if you want to give this option to others, make it either/or, you can extend one or both exception contracts or you can extend a single non exception contract under 5 mil. Keep the existing and add the new. 

and if that double is truly so rare this rule may hardly ever apply while others still get the new one. 

i'm not a fan of making rules more complicated than they have to be

in my experience every time we've streamlined rules whether it be position eligibility or upgrades it has turned out to be a clear improvement even though some flexibility was always lost. seems to me like we may as well cut out the middle human and go straight to the streamlined way

[skrouse]

this isn't losing flexibility, it's losing an ability to extend a 2nd contract. If that ability is lost, this is a no for me.

[Majic]

Mar 17, 2020 13:31:14 GMT skrouse said:

this isn't losing flexibility, it's losing an ability to extend a 2nd contract. If that ability is lost, this is a no for me.

You arent losing that ability, this is simply expanding the pool of people you can pick from when extending.

Whether its an MLE or a sub 5 million contract, if they are a solid or better player you can extend them.

and if you run into a scenario where you have both a min and an MLE that you want to extend, its a simple process.

Extend the Min and then offer the MLE guy the 120% contract the next year. Its a near certain lock you can bring back an MLE guy after 1 year as cap space is limited and people arent giving out huge contracts to that level of players. 

[skrouse]

Mar 17, 2020 13:36:43 GMT Majic said:

Mar 17, 2020 13:31:14 GMT skrouse said:

this isn't losing flexibility, it's losing an ability to extend a 2nd contract. If that ability is lost, this is a no for me.

You arent losing that ability, this is simply expanding the pool of people you can pick from when extending.

Whether its an MLE or a sub 5 million contract, if they are a solid or better player you can extend them.

and if you run into a scenario where you have both a min and an MLE that you want to extend, its a simple process.

Extend the Min and then offer the MLE guy the 120% contract the next year. Its a near certain lock you can bring back an MLE guy after 1 year as cap space is limited and people arent giving out huge contracts to that level of players. 

So last year, had my cap allowed it, or had I known West was leaving,  I would have wanted to extend both Adrian Smith as an LLE and Joakim Noah as an MLE, how would I do that under the new rules? 

[Majic]

Mar 17, 2020 13:41:30 GMT skrouse said:

Mar 17, 2020 13:36:43 GMT Majic said:

You arent losing that ability, this is simply expanding the pool of people you can pick from when extending.

Whether its an MLE or a sub 5 million contract, if they are a solid or better player you can extend them.

and if you run into a scenario where you have both a min and an MLE that you want to extend, its a simple process.

Extend the Min and then offer the MLE guy the 120% contract the next year. Its a near certain lock you can bring back an MLE guy after 1 year as cap space is limited and people arent giving out huge contracts to that level of players. 

So last year, had my cap allowed it, or had I known West was leaving,  I would have wanted to extend both Adrian Smith as an LLE and Joakim Noah as an MLE, how would I do that under the new rules? 

as Eric has already mentioned, that type of situation has only ever happened where both were extended like 3 times in the majority of 5.0 history.

Chances are there are alot of people that were in your shoes last year and didn't want to commit the cap, as I am sure thats the common issue with people that are cap strapped.

and I dont personally believe that once you have some cap space that you will want to be tying up 9 million on guys that are LLE/MLE level players. You will want as much cap flexibility as possible to offer elite guys, and when/if you strike out on the elite guys you can then turn around and offer that second guy a larger contract that no one else would. 

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not extending an mle is a better move anyway 99% of the time because you can offer up to 5.4m in fa. so really only being able to extend one is fine unless you magically get two studs on deals that you wouldnt be able to offer more than 4.5 in fa, so like 3.8m or less