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Post by Majic on Jan 8, 2019 2:59:49 GMT
Hello everyone,
Tonight on the podcast we got into discussing the future of Sim league and where we go from here. I dont think its a shock to say that it seems the league is on life support at the moment after the rash of GM's "retiring" this last weekend.
I believe that we currently have a strong core group of GMs that would like to keep things going in some form.
We discussed a few options on the podcast and thought we would start a thread discussion to talk things through.
Here were a couple of the options:
1) Contraction using this software. We would re-distrubute the current players on roughly half the league teams and set the other rosters to 25 attribute players. This would act as a form of contraction.
2) putting all of the active teams/GMs in one conference
3) Using the new software, which allows real contraction, and building out a new league. SPL plans to buy the software tonight to start looking into this.
I think it would be best to add your opinions on all of these 3 options and please suggest something additional.
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Post by TimPig on Jan 8, 2019 3:06:57 GMT
I like the idea of option 3 and new software, and I'd be OK with either trying to copy current rosters over there in some way or starting from scratch. However, this would require someone to commit to being commissioner, and based on history, it seems like it wears people out pretty quickly.
The idea of a little bit more mystery behind attributes and team building is very appealing to me, but it sounds like there are features in the new software that the majority of folks wouldn't necessarily want to deal with. For a couple, particularly regarding htm outputs, eric suggested he could macro them. I know that's something he likes doing and gets enjoyment out of it, but I also think it'd be unfair to expect it of him.
I'd also be fine doing our own form of "contraction" in this software and seeing how that works for a little while.
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Post by Mike on Jan 8, 2019 3:12:16 GMT
I'll go with/learn any way that'd grant keeping the league alive. Count me in for w/e.
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Post by jhb on Jan 8, 2019 11:37:43 GMT
I’m out if we switch to the new software
I hate it
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Jan 8, 2019 12:46:16 GMT
I'm down for whatever, whenever. That's why my s*%# is hot.
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Post by Norman Dale on Jan 8, 2019 14:15:35 GMT
I have bought the new software but not had a chance to play around with it to see if settings could be eliminated to make it simplified to where we have it. I would imagine there has to be options within the game to play with and without xyz feature.
My concern is our numbers, they keep going down. We need to find a way to bump them up again. If we keep losing members like we are, eventually we won’t have a league and I am rather enjoying it this time around much more for some reason.
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Post by Norman Dale on Jan 8, 2019 14:20:47 GMT
I’m out if we switch to the new software I hate it It was discussed last night that if we did make the switch, we wouldn’t want to start over. So if it was too much for Eric, I would take it upon myself to remake the teams from the old software to the new. May I ask what you hated about the new version? |
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Post by Norman Dale on Jan 8, 2019 14:31:26 GMT
Another idea is we run a test version on the new software. I would just need someone’s help in putting it together.
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Post by jhb on Jan 8, 2019 14:31:38 GMT
I’m out if we switch to the new software I hate it It was discussed last night that if we did make the switch, we wouldn’t want to start over. So if it was too much for Eric, I would take it upon myself to remake the teams from the old software to the new. May I ask what you hated about the new version? I'm glad you asked. Everything. |
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Post by Norman Dale on Jan 8, 2019 14:33:10 GMT
Fair enough
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Post by TimPig on Jan 8, 2019 14:34:11 GMT
It was discussed last night that if we did make the switch, we wouldn’t want to start over. So if it was too much for Eric, I would take it upon myself to remake the teams from the old software to the new. May I ask what you hated about the new version? I'm glad you asked. Everything. Constructive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 14:36:36 GMT
I am rather enjoying it this time around much more for some reason. I bet it's because of the unweighted lotto. And eric changed THAT too.  |
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Post by jhb on Jan 8, 2019 14:38:40 GMT
I'm glad you asked. Everything. Constructive. I'm not trying to offer constructive criticisms to improve it. I hate everything about that software, there is a reason the version of TMBSL that used it lasted one season and there have been 50+ sim seasons across two iterations of sim league in the old software since. It's over-complicated, the html outputs are terrible, and I won't do it. The only decent feature it has is contraction. |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 8, 2019 14:41:34 GMT
I'm not trying to offer constructive criticisms to improve it. I hate everything about that software, there is a reason the version of TMBSL that used it lasted one season and there have been 50+ sim seasons across two iterations of sim league in the old software since. It's over-complicated, the html outputs are terrible, and I won't do it. The only decent feature it has is contraction. So you actually elaborate on one criticism, which is that “the html outputs are terrible”, and it’s something Eric previously said he believes he could macro to fix and make more similar to what we have now. |
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Post by jhb on Jan 8, 2019 14:52:23 GMT
I'm not trying to offer constructive criticisms to improve it. I hate everything about that software, there is a reason the version of TMBSL that used it lasted one season and there have been 50+ sim seasons across two iterations of sim league in the old software since. It's over-complicated, the html outputs are terrible, and I won't do it. The only decent feature it has is contraction. So you actually elaborate on one criticism, which is that “the html outputs are terrible”, and it’s something Eric previously said he believes he could macro to fix and make more similar to what we have now. You missed the "over-complicated" part |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 14:54:24 GMT
The new software sucks. Here comes BK with the idea to save the league with massive intreague: Move all of the remaining GMs (and the teams that are likely to have a GM come back/or are really good) into a full conference of 15 teams. Move our 2nd teams into the 14 team conference. Now we have a skeletal system that just needs some fun rules and we have promotion/relegation in the NBA  |
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Post by jhb on Jan 8, 2019 14:55:15 GMT
Or move everyone into the Central and Midwest so that more participating GMs can make the playoffs.
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Post by eric on Jan 8, 2019 15:19:50 GMT
here's what i recommend doing after the playoffs.
1) all GMs in the Eastern Conference. GMs who have a team in each conference can pick which roster/picks/etc. situation they keep, and it'll have whichever name is Eastern appropriate.
2) dispersal waiver of the remaining rosters - like regular waivers, teams only have to have hard cap space to take on the contract. i think two 12 hour waiver periods is plenty for this.
3) any remaining players put into the FA pool for the following FA period.
4) all Western Conference teams populated by all 25 scrubs of the form Robot ####. all future picks owed by those teams will be voided and some form of compensatory draft picks assigned. all future picks made by those teams will be Robots. Robots are ineligible for Eastern Conference play.
5) this gives us 15 GM slots, and we currently have 15 counting ward and pete. if we get to 16, we randomly assign Eastern Conference GMs to two squads and make one squad the Atlantic and one squad the Midwest, doing the same to the Western Conference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 15:22:44 GMT
here's what i recommend doing after the playoffs. 1) all GMs in the Eastern Conference. GMs who have a team in each conference can pick which roster/picks/etc. situation they keep, and it'll have whichever name is Eastern appropriate. 2) dispersal waiver of the remaining rosters - like regular waivers, teams only have to have hard cap space to take on the contract. i think two 12 hour waiver periods is plenty for this. 3) any remaining players put into the FA pool for the following FA period. 4) all Western Conference teams populated by all 25 scrubs of the form Robot ####. all future picks owed by those teams will be voided and some form of compensatory draft picks assigned. all future picks made by those teams will be Robots. Robots are ineligible for Eastern Conference play. 5) this gives us 15 GM slots, and we currently have 15 counting ward and pete. if we get to 16, we randomly assign Eastern Conference GMs to two squads and make one squad the Atlantic and one squad the Midwest, doing the same to the Western Conference. can the robots have identifying numbers for lore purpose? I really want to remember Robot #425791's heroic FG to take home the Robot Conference Title |
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Post by Norman Dale on Jan 8, 2019 15:24:36 GMT
What about the draft with those western conference teams and isn’t the AI going to submit FA bids?
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Post by eric on Jan 8, 2019 15:41:29 GMT
What about the draft with those western conference teams and isn’t the AI going to submit FA bids? WC teams will only draft Robots there is no AI, and there will be no FA bids |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 8, 2019 16:09:57 GMT
So you actually elaborate on one criticism, which is that “the html outputs are terrible”, and it’s something Eric previously said he believes he could macro to fix and make more similar to what we have now. You missed the "over-complicated" part Tough to address it when you provide absolutely no evidence. |
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Post by eric on Jan 8, 2019 16:27:02 GMT
re: team names
I think it's better all else being equal for the league to have eastern teams in the Eastern Conference for the same reason we don't allow joke team names and joke players. I recognize that some people might not want to use eastern names, so let's go down the list, reiterating that these will only be the names, and GMs with two teams will be free to pick which roster situation they want:
majic - boston celtics
ward - harlem globetrotters
spl - new york knicks
ianboyd - miami heat
skrouse - orlando magic
kn88 - washington bullets
andrewluck - toronto raptors
jhb - atlanta hawks
h7t - carolina cougars
fecta - charlotte hornets
timpig - chicago bulls
bill - cleveland cavaliers
delap - detroit pistons
mike - indiana pacers
pete - ???
these aren't final, just for illustration.
we can also let people choose a new eastern name entirely. available choices are:
milwaukee bucks
philadelphia 76ers
brooklyn/new jersey nets
buffalo braves
syracuse nationals
cincinnati/rochester royals
kentucky colonels
pittsburgh condors
virginia squires
this gives us a firm longitudinal divide between milwaukee/chicago and memphis/st. louis. let me know what you think
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Post by jhb on Jan 8, 2019 16:28:13 GMT
You missed the "over-complicated" part Tough to address it when you provide absolutely no evidence. So the thing is that there are more settings and attributes in the software and also lick my nuts. |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 8, 2019 16:35:40 GMT
Tough to address it when you provide absolutely no evidence. So the thing is that there are more settings and attributes in the software and also lick my nuts. Powerful. |
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Post by jhb on Jan 8, 2019 16:39:01 GMT
Tim, you've never used the software.
I forgive you that you don't yet realize that it is up there with genocide and Nashville country music among the worst things to ever happen in the history of the world.
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Post by TimPig on Jan 8, 2019 16:47:47 GMT
Tim, you've never used the software.
I forgive you that you don't yet realize that it is up there with genocide and Nashville country music among the worst things to ever happen in the history of the world. Define "used". When Odin ran a test board with new software I checked it out and was the only member to actually take an action. |
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Jan 8, 2019 17:06:22 GMT
I see no logical reason I can't be the Mavs and be in the Central. They are in the Central timezone.
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Post by Mike on Jan 8, 2019 17:21:01 GMT
Buffalo Mavs, Virginia Mavs?
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Post by Norman Dale on Jan 8, 2019 18:04:47 GMT
I see no logical reason I can't be the Mavs and be in the Central. They are in the Central timezone. I honestly don’t see the big deal, we have the globetrotters in here. |
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