2011 Rule Changes (1,201 views)

[ahebrewtoo]

PS - a single line in a post in a thread many of us don't pay attention to is not a heads up for the rule. That is what I was referring to when I said we shouldn't need legal counsel to advise us of impending rule changes and their impact on our rosters.

This thread with an opportunity to change positions prior to 2011 TC would be an appropriate and fair rule change. This thread, effective immediately with no opportunity to make a final position change, is on brand for a lawful neutral commish.

[eric]

Dec 31, 2018 15:39:20 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

We should be given a heads up for the rule,

this happened

its effective date,

this also happened

and an opportunity to make legal positions changes to finalize a player's eligibility prior to the transition.

this did not happen, and was explicitly promised to not happen. as explained in this thread, reimplementing position changes would have given an unreplicable advantage to the players so grandfathered. a level playing field is the best option for the league, even though it is not the best option for the individual GMs who happen to have those few players under contract.

[eric]

Dec 31, 2018 15:41:20 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

PS - a single line in a post in a thread many of us don't pay attention to is not a heads up for the rule. That is what I was referring to when I said we shouldn't need legal counsel to advise us of impending rule changes and their impact on our rosters.

This thread with an opportunity to change positions prior to 2011 TC would be an appropriate and fair rule change. This thread, effective immediately with no opportunity to make a final position change, is on brand for a lawful neutral commish.

everybody disagreeing with the rule change in this thread voted in the poll in that thread, including you. you don't have standing to bring a complaint on the basis of obscurity.

objection overruled

[ahebrewtoo]

I suddenly have so much empathy for John Kelly.

[Norman Dale]

Dec 31, 2018 16:09:07 GMT eric said:

Dec 31, 2018 15:39:20 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

We should be given a heads up for the rule,

this happened

its effective date,

this also happened

and an opportunity to make legal positions changes to finalize a player's eligibility prior to the transition.

this did not happen, and was explicitly promised to not happen. as explained in this thread, reimplementing position changes would have given an unreplicable advantage to the players so grandfathered. a level playing field is the best option for the league, even though it is not the best option for the individual GMs who happen to have those few players under contract.

You are forgetting the fact that I did ask for his position to be changed when this new rule was proposed but I was told no by you as seen in the text message that I provided. 

[Norman Dale]

I asked for the position change on 12/13 and this rule was made on 12/27

[TimPig]

Dec 31, 2018 17:55:17 GMT Norman Dale said:

I asked for the position change on 12/13 and this rule was made on 12/27

But the "No more position changes" rule was made on 11/13.

[eric]

Dec 31, 2018 17:55:17 GMT Norman Dale said:

I asked for the position change on 12/13 and this rule was made on 12/27

because position changes were removed across the board on 11/13
tmbsl5.proboards.com/thread/2250/2009-rule-changes

[Norman Dale]

TimPig eric

That is my point, we put a rule in place before this rule was ever proposed that prevented people from making proper roster adjustments to what was previously allowed.

[Norman Dale]

TimPig eric

To use an analogy here is how I feel

You drive a road every day and the speed limit on the road is 40mph. Everyday you drive 40 on this road. Police have up a speed gun with camera and are monitoring the speeds driven. After 30 days the village decides to change the speed limit to 30. You then get speeding tickets for the 30 previous days before the speed limit is changed.

[TimPig]

I think this problem comes down to this:

1. Odin was commish and allowed for combo guards and forwards
2. Odin resigns as commish and Druce takes over
3. In Druce's first class, he adds Livio Jean-Charles and Nemanja Nedovic as profile players the day before the draft (July 2) and has Delap create profiles for them as F and CG
4. Druce gets rid of combo forwards on August 7
5. Druce states the rule "is not retroactive", implying that Livio should be SF-eligible
6. Druce doesn't allow Livio to play SF, despite previously implying he could have. As a result, Mike trades him
7. Druce resigns and Odin takes back over as commish, re-implementing the F and CG

I don't know where this gets us, but maybe the timeline helps clear something up.

[Norman Dale]

To be honest, I like the rule change, I just don’t like how it was put in place and no grey area in regards to a situation like this. Everything is not black and white. Sometimes there needs to be some compromise.

[eric]

Dec 31, 2018 18:33:00 GMT Norman Dale said:

TimPig eric

To use an analogy here is how I feel

You drive a road every day and the speed limit on the road is 40mph. Everyday you drive 40 on this road. Police have up a speed gun with camera and are monitoring the speeds driven. After 30 days the village decides to change the speed limit to 30. You then get speeding tickets for the 30 previous days before the speed limit is changed.

the analogy i would make is everyone was allowed to drive 40 mph, and because you were allowed to drive 40 you want to continue being allowed to drive 40 even though everyone else can only go 30 now.

you're not getting ticketed - you're not being fined, you're not vacating wins, you're not stuck with a lower HC. you just have to follow the same rules as everyone else. sometimes the rules work in your individual favor, sometimes they don't. therefore the only criterion we should consider is whether they work in the league's favor, and a rule that gives one GM an advantage no one else can obtain is just not that. nobody liked herb's daniel taurasi rule for the same reason.

[ahebrewtoo]

Eventually people are going to stop driving on the road imo.

[eric]

Dec 31, 2018 21:16:55 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

Eventually people are going to stop driving on the road imo.

let me make this explicitly clear for everyone: i take threats of quitting even less seriously than popularity contests. why? because if a change would impair you and only you that significantly, clearly you and only you were benefiting from an enormously outsized advantage and it's even more imperative that i as the commissioner level the playing field for the league.

for the record i don't think livio friggin jean charles presents anywhere near such an advantage, and i don't think spl was ever anywhere near quitting over this.

just making it clear for everyone going forward. save the threats and save us all some time.

[fason]

Let’s bring back the killing of one player every offseason. I’m sure the blood of Livio Charles would satisfy the sim gods this year.

And if we don’t, then I’m not sure if I still want to be a member of this league.

[ahebrewtoo]

Dec 31, 2018 22:08:42 GMT eric said:

Dec 31, 2018 21:16:55 GMT ahebrewtoo said:

Eventually people are going to stop driving on the road imo.

let me make this explicitly clear for everyone: i take threats of quitting even less seriously than popularity contests. why? because if a change would impair you and only you that significantly, clearly you and only you were benefiting from an enormously outsized advantage and it's even more imperative that i as the commissioner level the playing field for the league.

for the record i don't think livio friggin jean charles presents anywhere near such an advantage, and i don't think spl was ever anywhere near quitting over this.

just making it clear for everyone going forward. save the threats and save us all some time.

I’m just trying to be helpful.

You don’t need to take it seriously.