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Post by eric on Aug 1, 2018 0:42:27 GMT
billy
C: Rudy Gobert / Steven Adams
PF: LeBron James / Blake Griffin
SF: Bogdan Bogdanovich / Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
SG: Avery Bradley / Markelle Fultz
PG: Devin Booker / Dennis Smith Jr.
delap
C: Aldridge / Nurkic / Aldridge
PF: Ingles / Anunoby / Ingles
SF: Tatum / (Anunoby or Barton) / Tatum
SG: Butler / Barton / Butler
PG: Lillard / FVV / Lillard
druce
C: Drummond/Jonas/Drummond
Pf: love/Jonas/kuzma
Sf: draymond/Parker/Jackson
Sg: Mitchell/draymond/Mitchell
Pg: Irving/brogdon/Irving
duc15
C: Capela/Davis/Harrell
PF: Davis/Tucker/Aminu
SF: Ingram/Aminu/Tucker
SG: Oladipo/Williams/Ingram
PG: Lowry/Murray/Oladipo
fason
C: Embiid / Dedmon
PF: Millsap / Markkanen
SF: Hayward / Brown
SG: Klay / Jamal Murray
PG: Kemba / Dragic
h7t
C: DeAndre / Gortat
PF: Howard / Ibaka
SF: Middleton / Wiggins
SG: Harden / Hield
PG: Wall / Rubio
jhb
Starters:
Ben Simmons
Reggie Bullock
RoCo
Giannis
Nikola Jokic
Bench:
Aaron Gordon
KCP
Roberson
John Collins
Kyle Anderson
majic
C: Al Horford / Hassan Whiteside / Al Horford
PF: Derrick Favors / Dwight Powell / Dwight Powell
SF: Andre Iduodala / Trevor Ariza / Gary Harris
SG: Kawhi Leonard / Trevor Ariza / Garry Harris
PG: DeMar DeRozan / Lonzo Ball / Gary Harris
pete
C: Turner/ Allen / Turner
Pf: harris / mirotic / mbah a moute
Sf: george / mbah a moute / mirotic
Sg: Beal / doncic / curry
Pg: curry / Conley / doncic
skrouse
C: Karl-Anthony Towns / DeAndre Ayton / Karl-Anthony Towns
PF: Kristaps Porzingis / DeAndre Ayton / Kristaps Porzingis
SF: Harrison Barnes / TJ Warren / Jeff Green
SG: CJ McCollum / JJ Redick / CJ McCollum
PG: Russell Westbrook / Darren Collison / Russell Westbrook
timpig
C: DeMarcus Cousins / Marc Gasol / Enes Kanter
PF: Kevin Durant / Dario Saric / Enes Kanter
SF: Otto Porter Jr. / Kevin Durant / Tyreke Evans
SG: Jrue Holiday / Otto Porter Jr. / Eric Gordon
PG: Chris Paul / Jrue Holiday / Tyreke Evans
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Post by skrouse on Aug 1, 2018 3:18:22 GMT
Not sure how this works but these are my quick look thoughts on each team.
billy - I like Booker with LBJ, Bogdan seems like a big weakness but I could be wrong. This team maybe wins a title in year 1 just because of LBJ. Booker & Bradley can match up defensively with any 1 or 2 and at least slow them down. Assuming Fultz and Smith Jr play well off the bench billy gets a title thanks to the #1 pick in year 1 , match ups make me rank this squad as my #3
C: Rudy Gobert / Steven Adams PF: LeBron James / Blake Griffin SF: Bogdan Bogdanovich / Rondae Hollis-Jefferson SG: Avery Bradley / Markelle Fultz PG: Devin Booker / Dennis Smith Jr.
delap - I think LMA's best days are behind him, last year seems like an aberration due to circumstance. I feel Ingles is being vastly overrated in this forum, maybe a solid guy in a 29 team NBA but not an All Star league, love Tatum Butler and Lillard. Best starting back court, but not by a mile. IMO the front court will get worked by a lot of different 4/5 combos and idk how well this team rebounds, my # 5
C: Aldridge / Nurkic / Aldridge PF: Ingles / Anunoby / Ingles SF: Tatum / (Anunoby or Barton) / Tatum SG: Butler / Barton / Butler PG: Lillard / FVV / Lillard druce - Hate this team, sorry commish, Drummond is good but not great, kyrie is great but an injury concern, love is inconsistent and again an injury concern (only played 77% of his reg. season games in his career) and I don't think Draymond is the same player without 2 or 3 of the best shooters in the league on his squad. Love Mitchell, no complaints there. This team could sneak 1 title in if all went well but there are a lot of question marks and concerns compared to other squads, my #9
C: Drummond/Jonas/Drummond Pf: love/Jonas/kuzma Sf: draymond/Parker/Jackson Sg: Mitchell/draymond/Mitchell Pg: Irving/brogdon/Irving duc15 - Love Davis and Dipo, hate Capela along side Davis and not big on Lowry, Ingram is good and could develop into much more, but will it happen soon enough? Eh idk, just don't see enough here to get a title vs these other squads. My # 7
C: Capela/Davis/Harrell PF: Davis/Tucker/Aminu SF: Ingram/Aminu/Tucker SG: Oladipo/Williams/Ingram PG: Lowry/Murray/Oladipo fason - Kemba shouldn't be starting in an 11 team league IMO, and he's not the distributor this team needs. Klay and Hayward are great and would play great together. I really like Embiid, Millsap again is solid but who will get all these guys the ball? Maybe if Brad Stevens is the coach this team wins a title or 2 but I think PG is just too much of a glaring weakness. my # 8
C: Embiid / Dedmon PF: Millsap / Markkanen SF: Hayward / Brown SG: Klay / Jamal Murray PG: Kemba / Dragic h7t - Jordan and Howard both on the court together? lol what? how they defending LBJ, Giannis or KD at the 4? Also, don't see Wall and Harden playing well together. This team needs to make a trade. I only really like Wall or Harden with Middleton, else it's meh, my #11
C: DeAndre / Gortat PF: Howard / Ibaka SF: Middleton / Wiggins SG: Harden / Hield PG: Wall / Rubio jhb - I really like this team... in years 3, 4 and 5. They would beat some good teams once or twice in a 7 game series and maybe get to a title game in year 3, but I just don't know if there is enough here to win in the next 2 years. Maybe after 3 years if all the young guys develop they get a title but I just don't see it, not against some of the more developed
teams. my # 6
Starters: Ben Simmons Reggie Bullock RoCo Giannis Nikola Jokic Bench: Aaron Gordon KCP Roberson John Collins Kyle Anderson majic - Best defensive team easily IMO, rebounding should be solid, scoring could be a problem... in the playoffs, but I love this team in year 2 and 3, especially if Lonzo develops and starts in the latter 2 years by sliding DeRozan to the 2 and Kawhi to the 3 and having Iggy/Ariza off the bench. My #1, they get titles 2 and 3
C: Al Horford / Hassan Whiteside / Al Horford PF: Derrick Favors / Dwight Powell / Dwight Powell SF: Andre Iduodala / Trevor Ariza / Gary Harris SG: Kawhi Leonard / Trevor Ariza / Garry Harris PG: DeMar DeRozan / Lonzo Ball / Gary Harris pete - Front court feels like a real weakness here, not sure how this team matches up on both sides of the ball against LBJ, KD, Towns, Davis love Curry/Beal/George almost as much as the back court for the irl Warriors but Turner and Harris with get worked by some of the other bigs on these teams. This team is near the bottom IMO, my #10
C: Turner/ Allen / Turner Pf: harris / mirotic / mbah a moute Sf: george / mbah a moute / mirotic Sg: Beal / doncic / curry Pg: curry / Conley / doncic skrouse - Really like Russ paired with KAT and Kristaps, but that's about it, big holes at the 2 and 3. Should've take Booker over Kristaps maybe, idk. Barnes is good defensively and Warren is nice off the bench but McCollum will get worked by the top 2s in this group of 11 and that will weigh them down. The modern Mr Triple Double might get them to a title game with his twin towers but idk how they defend LBJ, KD or Kawhi at the 4 (which majic could do he played a small ball line up). Those teams will force them to go zone or sit one of the towers. - my # 4
C: Karl-Anthony Towns / DeAndre Ayton / Karl-Anthony Towns PF: Kristaps Porzingis / DeAndre Ayton / Kristaps Porzingis SF: Harrison Barnes / TJ Warren / Jeff Green SG: CJ McCollum / JJ Redick / CJ McCollum PG: Russell Westbrook / Darren Collison / Russell Westbrook timpig - CP3 is good for a season more, maybe 2, Cousins won't play in most of the 1st so as you get 1 guy back another fades (and could even get hurt again), Gasol is nice depth though, don't love Holida and Porter at the 2 and 3 but they are slightly better than the last team's duo. KD and CP3 may get them a title in year 1, but after that I think it's tough sledding. my # 2, they get title 1 but drop off
C: DeMarcus Cousins / Marc Gasol / Enes Kanter PF: Kevin Durant / Dario Saric / Enes Kanter SF: Otto Porter Jr. / Kevin Durant / Tyreke Evans SG: Jrue Holiday / Otto Porter Jr. / Eric Gordon PG: Chris Paul / Jrue Holiday / Tyreke Evans
in summary
1 majic - title 2 and 3
2 timpig - title 1
3 billy - lose finals 1 & 3
4 skrouse - lose finals 2
5 delap
6 jhb
7 duc
8 fason
9 druce
10 pete
11 ht
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Aug 1, 2018 12:06:27 GMT
billy
C: Rudy Gobert / Steven Adams
PF: LeBron James / Blake Griffin
SF: Bogdan Bogdanovich / Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
SG: Avery Bradley / Markelle Fultz
PG: Devin Booker / Dennis Smith Jr.
Billy already stated that LBJ would be the PG and he would start Griffin, Gobert, LBJ, Bradley, and Booker. Woof at that shooting and woof at that defensive backcourt stopping anyone. His backups are somehow worse and Fultz + DSJr. is not a combination that should ever share the floor.
delap
C: Aldridge / Nurkic / Aldridge
PF: Ingles / Anunoby / Ingles
SF: Tatum / (Anunoby or Barton) / Tatum
SG: Butler / Barton / Butler
PG: Lillard / FVV / Lillard
That's a sexy team.
druce
C: Drummond/Jonas/Drummond
Pf: love/Jonas/kuzma
Sf: draymond/Parker/Jackson
Sg: Mitchell/draymond/Mitchell
Pg: Irving/brogdon/Irving
At first glance, I thought this team would be ugly on offense, but I'm starting to come around. The bench is still a total disaster... complete disaster... but the starters aren't bad. Defensively they are light in the backcourt, but they should be an A+ rebounding group and the offense could work as long as Drummond maintains his somewhat improved FT shooting and Love is able to stay on the court (health-wise).
duc15
C: Capela/Davis/Harrell
PF: Davis/Tucker/Aminu
SF: Ingram/Aminu/Tucker
SG: Oladipo/Williams/Ingram
PG: Lowry/Murray/Oladipo
This squad can really get after it on both ends. The only red flag at all is Lowry as he ages. Consider this to be a Final 4 team in seasons 1 and 2, and possibly in season 3 as well. These pieces fit well and the bench, while not great, is good enough. (at first I thought it was Jamal Murray, not Dejounte... in which case I would've been even higher on them... but alas.)
fason
C: Embiid / Dedmon
PF: Millsap / Markkanen
SF: Hayward / Brown
SG: Klay / Jamal Murray
PG: Kemba / Dragic
If Embiid stays healty, this is a real contender in year one. I don't like Millsap over the 3 years, but the rest of the team should age just fine (outside of maybe Dragic). I'm super high on Jamal Murray, especially as a 6th man that has a green light, so that's nice. Backup bigs are meh, but Markkanen had some flashes last year.
h7t
C: DeAndre / Gortat
PF: Howard / Ibaka
SF: Middleton / Wiggins
SG: Harden / Hield
PG: Wall / Rubio
ugh. No spacing, possibly the worst defensive backcourt in the league, and attitude red flags all over the place. By year 3 Howard, Gortat, and Jordan will all be unplayable. Despite having a Top 5 player for all 3 years, this squad won't sniff a championship and will be a joke in year 3.
jhb
Starters:
Ben Simmons
Reggie Bullock
RoCo
Giannis
Nikola Jokic
Bench:
Aaron Gordon
KCP
Roberson
John Collins
Kyle Anderson
This is putting a huge weight on Bullock and Covington, but I like where jhb's head is at. 4 of the 5 players should get better over the 3 years. Giannis and Simmons is a very strange fit, offensively, but it could conceivably work. I don't like Gordon, Roberson, Anderson off the bench, because none of them shoot at all. Not sure if they'll win, but the players themselves are very good.
majic
C: Al Horford / Hassan Whiteside / Al Horford
PF: Derrick Favors / Dwight Powell / Dwight Powell
SF: Andre Iduodala / Trevor Ariza / Gary Harris
SG: Kawhi Leonard / Trevor Ariza / Garry Harris
PG: DeMar DeRozan / Lonzo Ball / Gary Harris
DeMar isn't a PG. Iggy and Horford are gonna age poorly. Kawhi is a big injury risk. Gary Harris is buried behind worse players. The bench is garbage. Like jhb, I appreciate what he was going for, but roster management was a big swing and miss. There is something here under a different coach... but after year 1 (when Iggy is done), I don't see title contention in the cards.
pete
C: Turner/ Allen / Turner
Pf: harris / mirotic / mbah a moute
Sf: george / mbah a moute / mirotic
Sg: Beal / doncic / curry
Pg: curry / Conley / doncic
No defensive presence at all on the inside, and outside of PG, no other real defenders. This team will absolutely get buckets though, allowing them to be a team that can beat anyone at anytime... but could also get run if shots are falling. The bench is intriguing, but only if Luka is everything I dream he will be.
skrouse
C: Karl-Anthony Towns / DeAndre Ayton / Karl-Anthony Towns
PF: Kristaps Porzingis / DeAndre Ayton / Kristaps Porzingis
SF: Harrison Barnes / TJ Warren / Jeff Green
SG: CJ McCollum / JJ Redick / CJ McCollum
PG: Russell Westbrook / Darren Collison / Russell Westbrook
No D, Russ does his thing. 49 wins, 1st round playoff exit. Porzingy is an injury risk, KAT doesn't like defense, and the backup guards are old. Their best chances are in year 1.
timpig
C: DeMarcus Cousins / Marc Gasol / Enes Kanter
PF: Kevin Durant / Dario Saric / Enes Kanter
SF: Otto Porter Jr. / Kevin Durant / Tyreke Evans
SG: Jrue Holiday / Otto Porter Jr. / Eric Gordon
PG: Chris Paul / Jrue Holiday / Tyreke Evans
Year 1 major contender, but CP3, Gordon, Gasol, and Evans aren't getting better. I do like the DC construction though, as it makes sense and provides good coverage across the 48.
Year 1: Final 4: Tim, Fason, Delap, Pete, Champ: Tim
Year 2: Final 4: Tim, Fason, Delap, Duc, Champ: Delap
Year 3: Final 4: Fason, Delap, Duc, jhb, Champ: Duc
Tier 1:
Tim, Delap, Duc, Fason
Tier 2:
Pete, jhb, skrouse
Tier 3:
druce, billy, majic
Tier 4:
h7t
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Post by skrouse on Aug 1, 2018 12:29:32 GMT
I don't think you can definitively say guys who are playing well today won't age well, that's a projection not a known quantity.
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Post by Druce on Aug 1, 2018 12:40:41 GMT
I fail to see how my bench is a total disaster
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Aug 1, 2018 12:46:16 GMT
I don't think you can definitively say guys who are playing well today won't age well, that's a projection not a known quantity.
The whole point of this exercise is projection. I don't understand your comment.
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Post by skrouse on Aug 1, 2018 13:13:27 GMT
I don't think you can definitively say guys who are playing well today won't age well, that's a projection not a known quantity.
The whole point of this exercise is projection. I don't understand your comment.
That you have to account for a possible range of outcomes. I don't think you can look at a guy like Iggy and say he won't age well the same way you do Dwight Howard's FT %. |
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Post by Majic on Aug 1, 2018 13:32:56 GMT
DeMar isn't a PG. Iggy and Horford are gonna age poorly. Kawhi is a big injury risk. Gary Harris is buried behind worse players. The bench is garbage. Like jhb, I appreciate what he was going for, but roster management was a big swing and miss. There is something here under a different coach... but after year 1 (when Iggy is done), I don't see title contention in the cards. I didnt really like using the sim league style of Depth chart as it doesnt necessarily show how I would truly rotate these guys. DeRozan isnt a true PG, but I would play Lonzo alot with the starter and be able to get minutes to 4-5 guys in that SG-SF-F rotation. Harris would get meaningfuly minutes and would be a scoring punch off the bench. Kawhi and Derozan can obviously get you points. Lonzo will chip in with great playmaking and then you have Horford, Favors, Ariza and Iggy that can each get theirs at certain times. Most importantly I get good scoring but major defensive flexibility. |
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Post by skrouse on Aug 1, 2018 13:48:57 GMT
DeMar isn't a PG. Iggy and Horford are gonna age poorly. Kawhi is a big injury risk. Gary Harris is buried behind worse players. The bench is garbage. Like jhb, I appreciate what he was going for, but roster management was a big swing and miss. There is something here under a different coach... but after year 1 (when Iggy is done), I don't see title contention in the cards. I didnt really like using the sim league style of Depth chart as it doesnt necessarily show how I would truly rotate these guys. DeRozan isnt a true PG, but I would play Lonzo alot with the starter and be able to get minutes to 4-5 guys in that SG-SF-F rotation. Harris would get meaningfuly minutes and would be a scoring punch off the bench. Kawhi and Derozan can obviously get you points. Lonzo will chip in with great playmaking and then you have Horford, Favors, Ariza and Iggy that can each get theirs at certain times. Most importantly I get good scoring but major defensive flexibility.  |
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Post by pedro el guapo on Aug 1, 2018 13:49:49 GMT
No defensive presence at all on the inside Turner/Allen aren't exactly Bill Russell out there, but i think you're underestimating their defensive presence. Both are long athletic rim protectors |
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Post by eric on Aug 1, 2018 18:11:10 GMT
gonna throw in my thoughts and then read everyone else's. sorry was delayed, steve jobs just wouldn't let me have this one little thing. classy, steve. real classy.
contenders
year one: delap pete timpig
year two: delap fason pete
year three: delap fason pete
bill
pretty solid. lebron is still great which is a nice way of saying he's not that great anymore, and he's by far the biggest downside in the starters due to his mileage. even then, the offense should hum. everyone but gobert can shoot, everyone but gobert and bradley can pass. the big problems with the team are turnovers and defense, and that there's not much future growth to look forward to. bogdan is a 25 year old rookie, fultz and smith just put up two of the worst rookie shooting performances ever. not a contender.
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delap
we're all very excited about tatum and moderately excited about anunoby and vanvleet, so there's clearly a lot of upside here. it is only one yaer for all of them (vanvleet technically played 2 seconds last year) but even if it was their annum mirabilis, tatum's floor is a better danny green, which is a brilliant cog in a team like this. joe ingles is perfect. 42% from three, 5.5 ast to 2.2 tov per 36, 69% at the rim, not big enough to body boogie or anything but he can box out the robin lopezes of the world for aldridge.
the big issues are butler and aldridge. aldridge must be the most frustrating good player to coach. he shoots 42% on long twos and 29% on threes. four feet doesn't make that difference, one brain does. he's got more than enough size to play center and is frankly a little slow to play power forward, but he whines about it every time. he also doesn't pass at all. on the flip side, the last time he and lillard played together they did manage 51 wins. butler doesn't shoot or create looks for himself or others as well as you'd think, which is fine if he can accept a 'be the #1 defender and scrounge for points on offense' role, but we know he doesn't like the three alphas setup, and we definitely know barton can't fill that role well, so if there's a chemistry blowup this team could fall apart.
all in all i think it works out, lillard is supposed to be a great leader and demonstrably works well with others, and nobody is going to fall off a cliff production wise. this team is a contender all three years.
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druce
drummond rebuilt his free throw shot and hit 61% last year, a staggering improvement over career 38% before, and after a career of similar passing ineptitude cranked it up to 3.3 per 36 (against 2.7 but still)
and the team had 39 wins
love is 37% career three, doesn't pass as much as you'd think (only one year above 3 and that was in minnesota)
draymond is a much worse shooter than you think (33% career, 33% career long two) but an elite passer 6.0:2.6 career, 8:3 recently. how much of that is getting spoon fed by curry? who knows
hard to say how good a shooter mitch is. 79/80 from the line college/pro, only 34% from three after 33% college but only 66 %ast and 45% on long two. probably not a minus, probably not a big plus. 4.0:2.9 won't cut it passing.
we know who kyrie is. 39% three on only 54 %ast is elite, has done it in multiple systems (cle -leb, cle +leb, bos). 5.8:2.3 shockingly low asts but efficient (and also reliable across systems).
i don't love the defense with drummond and love. they're both just slow, and in the modern nba you need at least one of your bigs able to patrol the three point line, preferably both. i really don't love the defense with kyrie at the point of attack. i don't think there's enough shooting or passing to go around either. i think slotting jonas in is the play - the defense can't get much worse, and he started taking threes last year which is a force multiplier, giving draymond the space to make his passes out of kyrie pnrs. it may even be worthwhile slotting brogdon in over kyrie, he's almost as good a shooter, a more efficient passer, and a dramatically better defender.
the rest of the bench is verrry shaky. kuzma got buckets but it's not clear how sustainable his 37 3P% is given he shot 30 in college and 63 from the college free throw line. jabari's had two ACL surgeries on the same knee, i don't mind him as a flier but i definitely wouldn't give him an eight figure deal whoops sorry chicago.
love and draymond are both getting up there in mileage and at their listed positions have a speed deficit already, which is not a good combo for aging well, and parker is the only one who seems to have any possible upside (and much more likely downside when his leg falls off). to me this team is not a contender
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duc15
i like the idea behind this team but i don't think it works. capela has improved his FT% every year and it's narrowly above hack range right now. a monster finisher at the rim, but doesn't pass, get his own look, or shoot, and his foul rate is a little high, which might be why his MP are so low for a starting scorer. davis is also a monster finisher at the rim, and also can't pass or get his own look (i guess high school point guard skills turn out to not really translate to the NBA, go figure). he's flirted with threes but never really committed, and 32% isn't quite enough to demonstrate he should. 40% on long twos is also okay, not good. he also struggles a lot more defending as a power forward since there's so much more movement involved, his ideal position is center so he can just camp around the rim and be really really tall with really really long arms.
so we need a lot of passing and shooting on the perimeter. lowry creates plenty and is a plus defender, but is only a good shooter. oladipo is an okay shooter and creator, which is totally fine for a second option. ingram was awful his first year and sublime his second, which is real? probably neither, he's probably in between - guys don't go from 29% to 39% because of hard work, but because of small sample size. so he's probably an okay shooter and creator... put that all together and there's just not enough juice, there's gonna be a lot of congested isos barfing up long twos, so oladipo and lowry will feel right at home, and they'll feel right at home when they get bounced early in the playoffs too.
there are a bunch of other okay shooters on the bench but no one who stands out as a massive fit solution. capela or davis at center with tucker or aminu at power forward would be really interesting, but it seems like a waste to have one of capela or davis coming off the bench. murray's a legit scorer who can't pass, so that's probably his ceiling and nobody else is young. no lo contendere
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fason
embiid's a generational talent. his shooting dropped off dramatically in year two but his finishing increased dramatically, split the difference on each of those and he's an elite scorer. he gets his own look and dramatically improved his passing from a catastrophic 3.0:5.4 to a merely terrible 3.7:4.4. there's a long way to go before that's not an outright negative, but i'd much rather play with the guy who tries to pass and gets a little wild than the guy i can dump it in to and just start running back on D because that's the only place i'm getting it back.
millsap feels like a good shooter but he's actually at 33% career, and he's at best an okay passer, and he's old as h3ck. for now he's a poor man's joe ingles but i don't like his odds going forward. i do think embiid grows more than millsap declines though, and you don't *have* to play millsap.
all three perimeter guys are legit scorers who pass it enough to keep it moving in this offense. there's no real wow factor to this team but like majic says you can never have enough good players, and they should be at least very good on offense and defense. that spells contender to me. i especially like a look where dragic or murray subs in for millsap to really get the offense going. the young guys are also not wowers, but should be at least capable.
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h7t
harden is a top three player in the nba. middleton is an elite glue guy. i don't like playing with any two of deandre, howard, and wall. definitely slot in ibaka to open things up some, maybe even slot in rubio for wall. hield is an elite shooter but a hield-harden backcourt seems like it's asking for trouble. i like the rubio - harden - middleton - ibaka - jordan lineup the best, but it still feels disjointed. there's a ton of talent on this team and also andrew wiggins but i have too many questions to see them as a contender.
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jhb
there is barely enough passing plus bullock's shooting to eke out a decent offense with the starters (the bench is a lost cause), but when you're giving up open threes every possession on the other end it doesn't matter.
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majic
this team isn't quite there either. guarding down a spot is a young man's game, and nobody starting is young. the play is to drop favors since the unit is already a little light on shooting, bump everyone up a spot, and throw harris in at point. it's not like he's gonna do a worse job defensively than derozan and he'll give everyone else more room to maneuver.
obviously if kawhi's injury sticks around this team is toast, but even if he's good to go i don't see it. not enough offense, not enough defense.
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pete
fantastic team. shooting throughout the starters (even tobias) (barely), playmaking on the perimeter, everybody should still be in their prime through the window, steph curry can walk onto the court 35 feet from the basket and he makes the game easy for everyone else on his team. legitimate defensive concerns but with this much firepower how are you keeping up, and i think turner can grow into a plus defender. doncic is a good flier to take as a backup, and when you've got two acb mvps on your bench you must be doing something right. mbah a moute and conley seem like they could go off a cliff at any time, but as long as they stick around you've got solid defensive and shooting plugins. definitely a contender year one and two, steph and PG13 will be in decline by year three but only just, i think they hold on.
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skrouse
this is some pretty solid roster construction, comes close to maximizing what you get from westbrook. of course, you have westbrook so the ceiling is a little lower than the roof if you know what i mean. towns cj and the zinger don't really want to be a #1 guy. barnes doesn't even want to be a #2 guy. they all give you shooting which is crucial, but to absolutely maximize a russ roster (or a russster if you will) you want people who can pick up his slack on defense, and cj ain't that. kristaps and kat should swallow up a lot of penetration at the rim, but neither of them is capable of routinely covering them at the three point line, and there are a lot of guards taking threes these days.
i'd be interested to see CJ at point and Reddick at shooting guard, would help the defense a little and would really turbocharge the offense.
i'd be extremely interested to just start Collison at point. he's an elite shooter and very willing passer, and this team could use some more passing if they're going to run an offense that isn't 'let's see what russ can do with 100 shots'. collison and reddick are getting old though, so i think that move only works in year one, and i think it takes longer for kat and kristaps to mature into truly elite players. the stars never quite align at the same time - not a contender
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timpig
like this team a lot in year one. i'd start gasol on account of him having two achilles' tendons and not being a malcontent, but skillset wise they both fit well. paul's a great fit on these outfits, holiday and porter love being a complementary guy with shooting and passing, durant isn't so much a main man as he is a devastating finisher off other people's actions that can also iso for you in a pinch. dario is a poor man's durant in many ways, and gordon can keep everything rolling. the rest of the bench is a little thin, tyreke and kanter aren't winning players.
i remain concerned about boogie going forward just because of the injury. paul's problem irl is that he's getting old AND you're paying him $40m, in an environment where we ignore salary his production will be perfectly fine all three years. durant and gasol are also declining but not to the point where it'll be a problem. nobody's getting better on the team, but they don't really have to. real solid team.
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Post by eric on Aug 1, 2018 18:18:18 GMT
skrouse"I feel Ingles is being vastly overrated in this forum, maybe a solid guy in a 29 team NBA but not an All Star league" just wanted to touch on this real quick it's not an all star league though that's the thing, you still need role players to make a team go, and Ingles is one of the best role players in the league. he passes better than Jimmy Butler, he shoots 42% from three, he can get his own look when he gets run off the line. can he get you 30 a night, no, but five guys all trying to get 30 a night is losing basketball. Joe Ingles today is a better version of what Andre Iguodala was four years ago, and not for nothing but four years ago Andre Iguodala won the Finals MVP.
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Post by Druce on Aug 1, 2018 18:18:21 GMT
so...on a team w/donovan mitchell, kyle kuzma, jaren jackson jr, you're saying jabari parker is the only player w/upside?
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Post by eric on Aug 1, 2018 18:24:38 GMT
DeMar isn't a PG. Iggy and Horford are gonna age poorly. Kawhi is a big injury risk. Gary Harris is buried behind worse players. The bench is garbage. Like jhb, I appreciate what he was going for, but roster management was a big swing and miss. There is something here under a different coach... but after year 1 (when Iggy is done), I don't see title contention in the cards. I didnt really like using the sim league style of Depth chart as it doesnt necessarily show how I would truly rotate these guys. DeRozan isnt a true PG, but I would play Lonzo alot with the starter and be able to get minutes to 4-5 guys in that SG-SF-F rotation. Harris would get meaningfuly minutes and would be a scoring punch off the bench. Kawhi and Derozan can obviously get you points. Lonzo will chip in with great playmaking and then you have Horford, Favors, Ariza and Iggy that can each get theirs at certain times. Most importantly I get good scoring but major defensive flexibility. do you get good scoring though? none of iguodala/favors/derozan are good shooters, how do you space the floor especially when the ball's in kawhi's hands? lonzo ball ain't the answer there |
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Post by eric on Aug 1, 2018 18:28:10 GMT
so...on a team w/donovan mitchell, kyle kuzma, jaren jackson jr, you're saying jabari parker is the only player w/upside? i think he's the only player with a likely shot at upside. one year of college stats doesn't tell me anything, so i don't see anything from JJJ. kuzma could learn to pass like magic tomorrow, but the much much more likely outcome is he never learns how to pass. and i don't like mitchell's odds of becoming a good shooter. |
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Post by eric on Aug 1, 2018 18:40:02 GMT
lot of variety so far
consensus is tim though, all three like him
then fason and delap have two totally legitimate and unbiased likes
then one a piece for majic skrouse bill duc pete
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Post by TimPig on Aug 1, 2018 19:14:09 GMT
Tyreke Evans is 28, Jrue Holiday is 28, Eric Gordon is 29, Otto Porter is 25, Enes Kanter is 26, Dario Saric is 24. A couple of those guys should get better and all should be able to contribute for three years.
Kevin Durant shouldn't drop off in three years. Chris Paul might, but he's such a smart player I think he'll still be contributing even at the age of 36 (though admittedly not at the level he would at 33). Boogie's achilles is a fair concern, but he's only 27. Gasol should be able to play a good number of minutes in year one in case Boogie isn't quite up to speed, and then take a back seat if/when Boogie gets healthy.
Most guys on my team can play multiple positions which affords me a ton of versatility in matching up with other teams.
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Post by eric on Aug 1, 2018 19:37:23 GMT
Tyreke Evans is 28, Jrue Holiday is 28, Eric Gordon is 29, Otto Porter is 25, Enes Kanter is 26, Dario Saric is 24. A couple of those guys should get better and all should be able to contribute for three years. Kevin Durant shouldn't drop off in three years. Chris Paul might, but he's such a smart player I think he'll still be contributing even at the age of 36 (though admittedly not at the level he would at 33). Boogie's achilles is a fair concern, but he's only 27. Gasol should be able to play a good number of minutes in year one in case Boogie isn't quite up to speed, and then take a back seat if/when Boogie gets healthy. Most guys on my team can play multiple positions which affords me a ton of versatility in matching up with other teams. durant and paul are already declining, it's just a question of how much |
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Post by skrouse on Aug 1, 2018 20:20:27 GMT
Tyreke Evans is 28, Jrue Holiday is 28, Eric Gordon is 29, Otto Porter is 25, Enes Kanter is 26, Dario Saric is 24. A couple of those guys should get better and all should be able to contribute for three years. Kevin Durant shouldn't drop off in three years. Chris Paul might, but he's such a smart player I think he'll still be contributing even at the age of 36 (though admittedly not at the level he would at 33). Boogie's achilles is a fair concern, but he's only 27. Gasol should be able to play a good number of minutes in year one in case Boogie isn't quite up to speed, and then take a back seat if/when Boogie gets healthy. Most guys on my team can play multiple positions which affords me a ton of versatility in matching up with other teams. and paul are already declining, it's just a question of how much Maybe since his apex but clearly a top 5 very arguably top 3 player. |
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Post by TimPig on Aug 1, 2018 20:26:24 GMT
durant and paul are already declining, it's just a question of how much Maybe since his apex but clearly a top 5 very arguably top 3 player. I think he's a top three player and I don't see him being anything less than top five in the next three years. |
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Post by skrouse on Aug 1, 2018 20:50:20 GMT
Maybe since his apex but clearly a top 5 very arguably top 3 player. I think he's a top three player and I don't see him being anything less than top five in the next three years. |
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Post by skrouse on Aug 3, 2018 1:10:52 GMT
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Post by fason on Aug 3, 2018 2:41:10 GMT
Half the people voted for themselves. Besides Eric has spoken.
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Post by skrouse on Aug 3, 2018 2:46:47 GMT
Half the people voted for themselves. Besides Eric has spoken. Should have been a qualifier to not do so. Would have a more accurate outcome |
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Post by 👨🏼⚕️delapandemic🚑 on Aug 3, 2018 11:53:15 GMT
Half the people voted for themselves. Besides Eric has spoken. Should have been a qualifier to not do so. Would have a more accurate outcome I'm totally fine with changing votes under that rule. |
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Post by duc15 on Aug 3, 2018 14:54:34 GMT
I didn’t vote for myself shame on you that did
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Post by TimPig on Aug 3, 2018 14:57:20 GMT
Removed my self vote and voted Pete
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Post by Druce on Aug 3, 2018 14:58:25 GMT
i voted for myself and don't have any intentions of changing my vote
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Post by pedro el guapo on Aug 3, 2018 14:59:15 GMT
Removed my self vote and voted Pete removed my self vote and voted Tim |
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Post by TimPig on Aug 3, 2018 15:01:12 GMT
Removed my self vote and voted Pete removed my self vote and voted Tim <3 |
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